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"News breaks depend on, us News Radio eleven ninety, k. x. And welcome back. To. Coast to coast back with Sharon Weinberger we're gonna take your calls as we? Talk, about DARPA in your work sure and what was the most fascinating aspect of DARPA that, you uncovered for yourself For myself there's an addict that always stays with, me that was told to me, by a guy who used to work at DARPA and this was a it was an. Anecdote about Nick Kristof who was this Greek American scientists who was not formally part of DARPA but whose ideas became excuse me part of a lot of. DARPA projects in one of his ideas was a particle beam that was part of a top secret program called seesaw and DARPA had worked on it for over ten years and nobody thought it was going to work and, so one year DARPA program manager decided to hold a meeting of a bunch of scientists called the Jason's who would advise. Durpan top secret issues and Nick Christoph list that father of this particle. Beam. Idea was there and he was trying to demonstrate why this particle beam was It's never going, to work on that it would take the entire American electric grid to power and the. DARPA I was thinking okay I'm gonna explain this to them and they're finally going to agree to project was going to be killed but instead I'm Nick. Christoph list the scientists talked about how they could put nuclear nuclear weapons under the Great Lakes and drain the Great Lakes she power this particle beam weapon apparently all these scientists the meeting role nodding their heads saying yeah Nick that's that's genius might work let's go do it right Let's bomb nuclear, bomb, the, Great, Lakes and use that. To power the particle beam And that to, me captured something about DARPA this idea that you. Know, no, matter how ridiculously fantastical you. Know that had some scientific integrity behind it well we we might just try it And I gotta tell ya, as far as I'm concerned having been raised in. Detroit, around, some of those Great Lakes That's one of the, extra wonders of this planet and they wanted to ruin that Well you're, that's part of the Cold War this particle beam was gonna shoot, down Soviet ICBM and that was due to. Cold War that when, your nation distress what it's east of existential existence, is threatened you consider, any possibility. Including setting off. Nuclear, weapons. Under the Great Lakes Sharon DARPA in area fifty one any crossover there oh absolutely so of course area fifty one. Was used for quite a bit of top secret testing of classified weapons classified aircraft, so the first stealth, prototype aircraft, which was a DARPA project was tested at area fifty one other black you know classified aircraft programs that. DARPA sponsored over the, years involving stealth and other areas were tested a area fifty one the, rumor is is that the current top secret next, generation bomber that the air force Is developing grew out. Of Jerome programs at DARPA developed which will probably tested area fifty one so as, sort of the classified, testing area, it's had a lot of crossover with DARPA let's go to some of the calls here for you now. They're lining up we, go to Eric truck driver beaten Indiana welcome to the program hey Eric That's my signal. From, him Mind-control, guy, Hello where good hey, yeah I was gonna ask guess if she had ever heard of the book called this is the title of the. Book is called the, patches if I tell you you have to be destroyed by me and what this book is all these units that supposedly don't exist for a place that doesn't exist dreamland, more commonly. Known as area fifty one they have all these really bizarre and obscure patches there and with all these different units and all these different projects and some you gotta figure how serious these guys are because one of, the patches on their now I'm sure you, probably know what this, means but on the patch it says and o. y. f. b. and I'm sure. You understand what that means and they have, other ones like, a lifetime the green. Door a lifetime of silence Some. Of these patches they are so bizarre and. These are. The, patches that. Are, he's, he's black projects are, and those are just the ones that were found out this has been years ago and these aren't like the new. Ones that nobody even knows about some skunkworks DARPA and all that and I didn't know if your guests have ever come across that book it's on Amazon I got several years ago Pat Tasker, about that. All right go ahead sure and I'm not sure if I know that specific book but but the card absolutely right that there's this fascinating history of people who look at the patches which are you know for different, military units also classified programs one of my, favorite and that's a, favorite among national security reporters is there's a famous patch of classified launch by the. National Reconnaissance office which launches spy satellites and, the patch was, for a specific mission That was classified but, we we, know it, was for spy satellite we just don't. Know which one or, what it was doing and it was an octopus enveloping the globe and he's absolutely right you can you people have tracked a lot of. Classified programs by looking at these mission patches Which are skull and bones octopuses enveloping, the globe, sometimes they give you hints about what. A program does sometimes they're obscure but we know that they're each linked to something and you can look, at them and trade. A lot of fascinating history do the Russians have the same credit agencies we have with DARPA So they don't quite have a DARPA I'm a few years ago Vladimir. Putin announced Russia would form its own DARPA but I don't think they've. Really done anything equivalent You know it's it's very hard it is very unique and perhaps something unique to. The US government to say you know what we're gonna give a few billion dollars, a year to government agency and let them kinda do within reason whatever they want and I don't think. That the previously the Soviet system and now the. Russian system I don't think they're willing to, let their, scientists or even their military scientists have that sort of, freedom now the, Europeans have tried on. The same thing they they every few years they talk about you know the EU or specific countries are. Gonna stab a DARPA but in Europe the problem. Is different they're not comfortable having the military fund research and development to the extent we do in. The United States so lots of other countries have talked about it nobody has really created. The equivalent of Dr Bates unique kind. Of reminds me of the. JAMES BOND movies were cute was heading up all, those areas that came up with these different Gizeh MOS and things for JAMES BOND to us Yeah a lot of that in DARPA has gone through periods in its history where it's operated. Like a bit more like a, q. agency, certainly in the Vietnam war period you know they, were experimenting, with things like pontoons for soldiers you know sort of shoes, that would allow soldiers, to walk on, water go down Vietnamese waterways or you know a single person light. Aircraft a soldier could use at one point they were, looking at sort of foldable bicycles for. Soldiers but that's sort of very rapid response gimmicks and gadgets for soldiers. Was a little bit unique to that period they little bit of it, at the height of Afghanistan. And Iraq war but not quite as much they tend to focus more on sort of, the the future? Projects now rather than on you know what what's it Gizmo or gadget. We can give a? Soldier today or tomorrow what would Sharon Weinberger her. Books is called the imagine years of war. Let's, go, to Barbara. In Los Angeles now hi Barbara go, ahead I signed a lot of this discussion Disheartening especially since. By, taxes, are going. To fund all these they sure are Things and and I'm just I'm just thoroughly. Disheartened by it and I know, people that have."