Officer, John Douglas, Amanda Knox discussed on WIBC Programming
But just before the bottom of the hour. We were talking with John Douglas about serial killer police officers in that motif gets used all the time doesn't it about, you know, mostly in works of fiction about you. And I were not so different. You know, the killer tells the cop and the cop feels wonder one way or another about it. And but that that duality I think the idea of the, you know, cops and robbers that they're much more connected than they have more in common than they don't where are you with that? You were just talking about a case of a police officer who had committed serial crimes using the cover of the badge. Yeah. We we. We didn't have a whole lot of those cases. I had a case out of San Diego where a a police officer who would teach rape prevention ended up being a rapist, and we're able to Lincoln forensically through a badge the fibers from. The basical badge. We're on the victims that we got into the interrogation. We're able to get a concession out of him. A big one that we did part of our thirty six serial killers. In the initial study was got him Gerald Shafer in Florida. He balanced from department to department small departments, and and would get rid of him. But they would give him a good recommendation. Just so they can get get rid of him. He ended up getting caught. He he picked up two girls hitchhiking in this. Police vehicle took him to a motel and later on it came back the next day to pick them up in his personal car on his personal car. He had a trailer hitch and his thing would be sexual hanging. So he took these girls out into no, no area. Gosh item up to one of the girls got away got away. And then the rest was made. But then the starts search was done of his residence. We had diaries. Where he wrote about some freebies crimes at the police. Never really tied anything to him. They found some Keith the longing to victims as well in the search warrant, so he was good. He was convicted on to they Lincoln Lincoln about thirty thirty homicides, and he was killed in nineteen ninety five. Another inmate stabbed today in prison down in Florida. So when you hear that would you hear something like that does that bring you some sense of relief for Justice, or how do you how do you process that? Yeah. I I've I have when it comes to death penalty. I've changed a little bit a little bit here. I was on a panel two weeks ago, New York with Amanda Knox. I helped them in the next get out of prison in Italy. And also if you heard of the case, the west of this three. Oh, yeah. Totally. Yeah. Case for. And so I helped they mean Damien Echols was on the patio and Joe Berlinger was on the panel with mixed. I helped him get out of prison with Peter Jackson director Lord of the rings. Brought me and at that time everything was secret along with this group of forensic. You know, you know, experts. So you see cases like that. And now that I'm out of euro, I I couldn't do these kind of cases in the bureau, but now out of your I've been helping cases where I see false. Confessions have been that given by innocent people wrongful wrongful convictions like in the west Memphis, three like Amanda Knox with where they bring in a tag team match the case man that Knox. They brought in ten police officers. Detectives who were interrogator attaching over forty hours to break down. And I always say an innocent person is easy to ensure gate than than the criminal himself or herself because the innocent person when they're curated by some say corrupt the investigator. They think that the person being targeted well. This will be over. Here tooth will come out. I get my attorney they'll know that. But meanwhile, you confess or you've you've signed a confession. And the problem too. Is that it should be required everywhere, including FBI FBI doesn't use. This is is the tape tape the interrogation tape, the interviews. And I mean from the beginning to the end not not turning the tape recorder on after you got the confession because you've or a scrupulous cop. Facts of the case. Now, you regurgitating back. So all the jurors will hear is. Oh, yeah. Just person. He knew everything about the case. So. Him. So. So I changed, but when I see these predatory types, and is there's all kinds of evidence that we have all not just I witnessed testimony or some jailhouse snitch or something like that that. Yeah. I I I worry that. And I get a lot of calls from people are saying because my attitude when I when people would say, oh, yeah. That prisons are full innocent people kinda sarcastically. But are we have a case in Virginia here north four four four navy then independently confessed to a crime they had nothing to do with. And they got a concession. But then his DNA to match, but then they got into give another navy man's name cough up a name. They did an interrogation the DNA. Did this what do four four? And they end the guys went to prison for years, and he finally got out too many years ago. Joseph in Boston has a follow up question about police officers. Don't know why Joseph you're talking with John Douglas on coast to coast AM. And I wanna say hi to my friends, and they treat computer guy. Yes. I'm. I'm a vine person we have a police officer a lot of them. And can you give your contact info out of the end? 'cause I don't I'm not going to be in case people need we have a lot of people in prison that are innocent. What does one do when one is going to be questioned because I know police officer. I don't know personally. I saw the video that killed a guy that was in a fire, and he went rammed and rave. He wasn't response. He blood all over this. And he was doing this in the witness said he did nothing, and there were other police officers Ozark taste the guy on the ground nineteen times has one handle it. And if we ever get arrested. What should we do if especially for innocent and who questions go ahead? I'll talk you don't talk you you. I don't care if it's your pulled over for traffic stop. I would tell my own children as you go. And and say, I want to have an attorney attorney, you know, represent. Right away that 'cause I'm not saying that is a small percentage and every look at the FBI as well. We have a we have a Senate. We'll have like David Hanson, Robert says name. New information, you know to Russia. I mean, if you you should not be taken to a room interrogated, and you should require requests, you wanna speak to your to your attorney students as soon as right away. Because you're innocent. This will come out, but but you know, you can manipulate behavior the nippy late someone even confessed to being browbeaten and a lot of innocent people won't request in an attorney. They don't because they think I'll explain it to them. And but the tactics of the us I mean, you can be vulnerable. I I mean, I've seen so many cases, and what people even like a man that stage with her just still people think she's guilty. There was no forensic evidence. Lincoln case, it was one guy. Rudy day is forensic prince thing prince the fecal matter in the toilet. It's him. It's not Amanda. It's not Rafeal slipped. It the boyfriend nothing. Nothing the west Memphis three. They they interrogate a kid with seventy two I q you could've told them. There was cheese. On the moon. Any would have agreed with you? And they broke them. You know, broke this kid down. He had nothing, you know, nothing to do. None of them anything to do with the crime. But they spent eighteen years in prison Damien spent ten on death row when they were finally freed. And fortunately, the I spoke to the that the district attorney says what do they want what they want? They want to be exonerated. And he says, well, I don't know. I don't know about that. What do you do? You. Don't know. I I don't know. I turned out why didn't know about exonerating because he was running for political office. Right. And he. Looking for, you know, this is so we're talking with John Douglas. You'll have a few more minutes, and then we'll get to open lines. But I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you at the very end of all up question from this. But first, let's get to sue in Atlanta on wildcard line on coast to coast AM for John Douglas, sue. Thanks for.