Harley Harley, Haiti, Henry Ford discussed on C-SPAN2 Book TV


Can you talk a little bit about the whole of African Americans in the military as a form of abolition? Oh. So before I get too. So my book sort of ends right at the civil civil war. Start the war. But before the start of the war. It's important to note that black communities are developing their own quasi military group. So they are preparing for war the are rehearsing for war before the civil war even gets here. I listed at least fourteen different regimens that are developed. They're not a recognized. They're not official, but they pushed for their own legitimacy the their own communities. They service trolls against slaveholders. But when you get to the civil war these same people that were protecting their communities in eighteen fifties from Sade catchers are now like sign me up now. Now, we've got legitimacy now we wants to fight. And a lot of these people that fight like in the fifty fourth Massachusetts regiment in the fifty fifth, Massachusetts, regiment. Visa-free people these are free black people who've never seen slavery and they're willing to risk their lives because they know that it's not just about emancipation that you have to have equality because they understand that being in the north doesn't necessarily mean a good life. Right. It doesn't mean a fair life. So they put their lives on the wrist on the line to really fight for equality and so over two hundred and fifty thousand slack men fight in the civil war in the army, and in the navy women are there too as well so women are serving as nurses Harriet, Tubman. Most famously says is by a lot of black women that are serving size because they could hide in plain sight would think that they would be privy to some of these days. But black soldiers are responsible for turning the tide of the war. It is nine evitable that the north would have just one just because they have a bigger population because they're more industrialized. The civil war was a prolonged war because it was a hard war and flag soldiers were brought in to really help win the war. So it's Frederick Douglass. That tells me you have to let black men fight you wanna win this. Let's fights. So win Lincoln issues that the patient proclamation which freeze like three million of the four million enslaved people in that same effort. He also allows black men to enlist and fight in the war. So it's twofold, it's a it's a victory from the top and a victory from the bottom slaves are freeing themselves on the ground by fleeing. And then soldiers are actively fighting also bring about fairness station. Yes. My question is about the American missionaries association and had a role with freeing of Amazon applicants do they have a continued role with the flag abolitionists here. I know that they did do continuous work with those freed Africans to send them as missionaries missionaries in Africa. That's a good question. No, I don't I don't particularly want to answer that only because I'm not looking -sarily homicide case in my work. I'm not looking at the missionaries. There's a big sort of fact to Africa movement or sending missionaries to Liberia. That's definitely happening. I teach us legroom. Some course, and we watch our aside, and I use one of air critiques in what he said film is like. A lot of things about it. But he basically says that this moment is not as simple as people think it is right that when you have the Amazon case, you have a couple dozen African set are able to go back to Africa, but essentially has no bearing on the institution of slavery itself that there is no new laws or legislation or anything that changes the livelihood for people that are enslave. So in some ways almost that. He's really is unique in that. Yes, it's interesting that the able to go vats that there's not much consequence. It implications for what happens when people who are still in place. Ama is very active during the civil war and the documentary record is enormous. I see. Louis. I wondered Robert Benjamin Lewis who was a Freeman from Maine who wrote a book and was associated with the American missionary association and had his book published in Boston. I believe in the eighteen thirties and again in eighteen forties. I think he went to Haiti as a result of the American missionary socio be surprised. There's a group of black leaders that you go to Haiti Frederick Douglass almost once eighty before the civil war, actually he was actually against immigration. But he decided that he was finally going to visit Haiti Dave and trying to get him to come for a long time. And visit great story. I think flights talks about it. We says prejudice on the pier ready to board this to Haiti and they're like don't go the civil war started and smoke. They just find the I shot. And so he turns around, but I'm not familiar with that story. But I do know that there are lots of black leaders that are engaged in discussions with Haiti. And also with Liberia that there's a lot a huge international conversation. That's taking place in that moment. Him the back question. To bring us up to the context of our times today and the rise of white nationalism prevalence of police violence. What are your thoughts about the role of violence nonviolence? What are the considerations? And we're the lines. Oh, man. You know? I don't know. I thought about this a lot and in some ways, I'm really troubled because I see that. Nonviolence is not really effective in the moment that we're living in case in point. I think of Colin Kaepernick, right simply taking any on a seal completely nonviolent in some ways taking of subservience Oster and the backlash that that happened from that protests. I'm like, wow, we're not ready, right? You know, we can't handle someone kneeling for the flags. We certainly can't handle anything much more aggressive than that. I think that we think the black lives matter movement, and a lot of things that they were doing when they were active for these police shootings were marches at staging sort of slowdowns on the highway and things of that nature. And I think that's really potent for getting attention. But that most people dismiss them as a nuisance in don't see their activism as heaviness real implications for for change down the line. And that's really disturbing to me. Because. Hundred quote and things about how how you can have forty years of peace. How the abolitionist had been pushing from the thirties twenties and thirties up until the civil war. Nonviolence turn your nonviolence. Moral suasion, you know, slavery. Slavery is wrong. Trying to persuade people of the evils of this institution. Nobody wanted to hear them the first thing people really heard for bullets, right? And I don't want to get to that point. I don't want to be an alarmist. But I do think that within the nineteenth century and works because the we understand slavery is wrong all of us in this room overly MS Remm can pay flavors wrong. Emails like, we it's bad. But that's really hard to do when you're dealing with these reincarnated versions of anti-black this of oppression that maybe he's not segregation. But it's still wrong still nefarious like mass incarceration or school, segregation or all of these issues that are really really tough still with us. It is harder to have that kind of response. Because most people don't readily see several vision is problematic otherwise it wouldn't be so prevalent, right? Like, we don't readily see mass incarceration is problematic because it doesn't affect white people. So I think it's much harder conversation to have in the twenty first century. I think that's all the time that we have right now. Thank you. Lasting? Thank all of you for coming to Kelly Carta Jackson for a really stimulating discussion, and she'll be signing books outside. And so I would encourage you to continue the conversation and via book. Thank you. Thank you. This past February Kelly Carter Jackson is African studies. Professor at Wellesley university discussing book force and freedom, black abolitionists and politics of violence. She was joined by Steve Han, professor at New York University. National book span radio doubled UCSB from Washington journalists William needle, cedar talks about the glory days of the American automobiles when they had tailfin the name of his book. Good morning everyone. Thank you for being here. And thank you, also for all the hours, you've spent in your favorite chair are sitting on the back porch your backyard, or at the beach or wherever you do it. Thank you for reading. I don't know where I would be without you all. I have been a writer for a very long time. It's going on fifty years. I think getting unconsciously close to that. It's all I've ever really done. The only thing that, you know, people would pay me to do it seems like. And I've written for magazines newspapers television movies, I wrote a poem months. And I wrote I've written. Five nonfiction books. Nonfiction. There's always been my thing because I guess because I was started out newspaper reporter, and that's what that's what I learned. How to do? I learned how to write long form nonfiction the current book, which I don't have. I'll hold it up. Got a really cool picture of Harley on the cover China, just as mazing looking guy. So if you do get a chance to see and he's standing next to a car that's about this big. And it's amazing. And it's not even a car. It's a clay model. Anyway, it's a great shot. And it's the. It's the story of the rise of the car business in and in also of a particular time in this country when we were supposedly at our peak. Arguably, and I tell it through the story of of Harley Earl. Who isn't very well known today, which is surprising. Given that he is behind Henry Ford, probably the most influential person on the development of the car business and the American car. You know, everybody knows who Henry Ford is. Almost nobody who's not a car. Buff knows Harley is and again. Harley harley. He he kicked Henry Ford. I mean, he did. And he totally vanquished rank wished him, and he he reinvented the whole business. He changed everything. He reads redid how cars were made. Styled manufactured in imagine. He'd he redid the entire thing. Henry Ford idea of a car was a. Shulte propel conveyance. All right. The carried you and your stuff from point a to point b in the most dependable efficient inexpensive way possible. And his vision wasn't much beyond that. That's his his great contribution was to come up with this way to manufacture it in Shuji numbers. So that kept the costlo so that people could afford it at time when we're moving into the mechanical age, but but that was his model t and and he he was just fine with that. And he didn't think that should ever be changed never wanted to change that car. You can get it any color Blackie want. And. He fought every possible changes. He had this tempestuous. He did. Relationship with his son Ezra who was more forward thinking and very more much more artistic Iraq. And they were not change. And then along comes Harley and Harleys desire and Harley takes it one important step further. He goes, he says, okay, we all know, what a car is the mechanics are all settled it works like this. Okay. We can make it. Everybody knows. They're all shaking, their dependable. Now, we we said, but but what should an American car look like and what should it in body? And that changed everything he was the he was the, you know, the. Seve jobs of his time asking that question and trying to figure it out. And i'll. Whenever I'm call the point and talk about my books. Then somebody always ask you, how did you come to the story? Where did you come up with this? Why did you pick this story? And the glib answer is well, I didn't pick the story. The story picked me. But that's kind of true. That's in every case when I decided to write a book, and you devote what three five years of your time. It sort of happens that way at least it has for me and. Swallow, tell you a story about how I came the story because the keep you won't have to ask you I'll tell you now. And then I'll tell you more about Harley my earliest boyhood. Memory. Is it my father coming home from work one? You know? Warm spring evening. In one thousand nine hundred eighty five..

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