Philadelphia Giants, Baseball, Phillies discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast


Sorry it didn't feel like going. But in September of that year, the two best all black baseball teams decided to play a rematch of their own championship series from the year before. Saul white manager of the Philadelphia giants and also the first black baseball historian wrote about this postseason clash between his Phillies and the Cuban X giants from New York in his groundbreaking book, history of colored baseball published in 1907. Quote, the Phillies owing to dissension in the team in 1903 were far from satisfied with their defeat of that year and claimed that with the proper harmony in their ranks, they could turn the trick on their much hated rivals. This championship series consisted of three games, which were played in Atlantic City, both players and spectators were worked to the highest pitch of excitement, never in the annals of black baseball did two 9s fight for supremacy as these teams fought. Everything known to baseball was done by both 9s to win, but the Phillies by the nervous kind of ball playing and the best kind of pitching by foster won two out of three and the proud title of colored champions of the world. And that foster reference there as Jacob writes that was Andrew rube foster, a star 25 year old pitcher who signed with the Philadelphia giants after winning four games against them in the 1903 postseason while pitching for the Cuban exchange. He is far more famous today for his off field accomplishments as the founder of the Negro national league in 1920. Very cool. Yeah, I think we should bring back 9s also. I think we should bring back referring to teams by the same name. Just saying the chicagos or the Philadelphia or whatever. But also, I think we should bring back 9s. I like the 9s. I like the 9s too. I'm not as strong on the city name as the Seattle's. I'm not into that as much as you are, and it's fine that you are. It's not for me. But I do think that we need an infusion of verbiage to refer to squads to clubs to, you know, so and so's, 'cause sometimes you're editing a thing and you're like, oh gosh, we've said this word so many times. And it's not anyone's fault. It's just the English language only has so many words, so let's redeploy some oldies, but goodies. Yes, please. All right, that will do it for today. And for this week. Okay, a couple of quick follow-ups from last time first in the past blast from episode 1903. There was a story that featured a town I kept calling willmar, Minnesota. Well, I've been reliably informed that it is pronounced Wilmer, Minnesota, apologies to our Wilmer listeners, my bad, obviously, who else is bad would it be? Eh, maybe Wilmer bears part of the blame for spelling it with an a instead of an E secondly, listener and Patreon supporter cold coffee, or at least that's what they go by in the Discord group, raised an interesting question related to the stat blast from that episode, which as you'll recall, was about Shohei Ohtani in the fact that it seems that he has hit worse and maybe just does hit worse on days when he's pitching. We theorized about why that might be? Is it mental fatigue? Is it physical fatigue? Is it both? Well, cold coffee wondered what the implications of that are for pitcher hitting in general. Could it be that pitchers were so bad at hitting all along partly because they were two way players on the days when they hit and pitched, not by training, but that's the job that they were asked to do. Could it be that they were just distracted as Otani is? And as he perhaps suffers some offensive penalty on the days when he pitches, so did pictures themselves all along. And maybe we just never knew because they were not hitting on days when they didn't pitch. So we couldn't see that they would actually be better on those days. It's an interesting idea. That obviously wasn't why pitchers were bad at hitting. There were many, many reasons why they were bad at hitting, and even if you took away some offensive penalty for doing double duty, they would still have been awful and probably unplayable as hitters. I mean, obviously they weren't selected for their hitting ability, and they didn't spend much time training for hitting many of them didn't have much prior experience hitting. This is really why they were bad, but maybe there was some two way penalty baked in there all along. I could buy that that wouldn't apply to other pitchers, maybe because they were so ill equipped to hit much more so than Otani. It was even more stressful for them to do it, even more distracting, or maybe because they probably didn't prepare to hit on that day as much as Otani did. They were not subjected to the same string. Could go either way. You made me think cold coffee. Anyway, maybe we'll never know for sure, but that's okay because we'd have to bring back picture hitting to find out. I can't say that at any point this season I have lamented the fact

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