Bill, Senate, Virginia discussed on Transition Virginia
And we've gone from that to Vance. Wilkins had problems. He got acid. You know and then we go to bill and Kirk Cox Cox is an amazing man and then now we're at Eileen and sometimes I just like I sit back end. This whole rules fight just. I'm watching that unfold and I'm sitting at my work computer. I don't work in politics. Politics is my hobby as I'm sending work computer reading the rich and times this fashion Virginia Mercury and like the Bungling of the rules. And they they don't have the committee assignments out and like everything's in chaos and a text. My buddies down there that are L. A.'s and stuff and I'm like what is going on. Where is where is the organization because Wink Kirk Cox ran the house when Bill especially when bill? How're in it? There was execution Swish Watch perfection. And then we get over Arlene. Lean and we get Shirley hearing and I was watching this year as the conference. Kennedy's were debating well into the night on a Saturday night. They have sent it off well into the night eleven pm. Eleven thirty and I'm just sitting there with a glass of wine. Like what are they doing like an? And that's that's the thing I've noticed is just the absolute you know going from where you know. When I started in politics. It was Bill Hal as speaker of the House. And you know and then you go into Kirk Cox and Kirk is very well educated man and then we go into I lean and not say she's not educated but just felt like this organization and it felt like everybody was everything was on fire. And everybody's running around like crazy delegate Davis maybe you can provide some insight onto this. My guess is the outgoing. Republican majority probably didn't do too many administrative favors for the incoming Democratic majority would that maybe contribute to some of the confusion at the very beginning of session. Well we we weren't given a chance I mean. Here's the tough part for speaker. Philip Gordon. Coming in You Know I. I've worked with her on committees and I think very highly of her and she has done you know a a lot of things this year and has a very tough roll but walking in the door. The people that had the institutional knowledge of how to run that like clockwork You know our clerk immediately is replaced. Now is political position. I understand that you know she probably would have been run up the five head. She kept them I understand that he he knew it was political literally reached out to her and said. I understand you know. I can't stay in nothing. I you know. It was extremely professional in the transition. But when you don't have the individuals that have been tasked with for a long time running that body efficiently from an administrative perspective. You'RE GONNA lose that flow and I think that's what happened I think our our president clerk is very capable but when you replace the clerk and the speaker and the majority all at one time like I said there's that learning curve and then you take another level one thing. I had never seen in my time in the Virginia House is so many complete substitutes of legislation in full committee or on the floor. I mean I've got one of the biggest bills coming to us And on the floor and it's a substitute and were expected to understand it and roll with the same day. I've got a problem. Can you explain that real quick? Why is it significant that these bills come out not as substitutes but as vetted committee substitutes? Maybe not floor substitute sure so Virginia. It deals with ticket on two thousand bills. I don't know what the final number was this year over. Three thousand bills now in with this was a sixty day session. So that's a ton of bills and We have crossover right so the majority those bills start on the House. Side and halfway through thirty days were expected to get through all these bills and we have their in that. Obviously this year thirty days in we have a very efficient committee process. Every bill comes in it goes to subcommittee at that point. Those of us on that subcommittee will be read. The bill when you're standing bill The public is to testify. There's should be. We can talk about. This later. Should be robust discussion about that. Bill If there's some changes or substitutes that happens there if it passes out of subcommittee goes to full committee if it doesn't instead thrust of the year don't hear about it again. It goes to full committee unlike subcommittee that has seven of us Commute about twenty. And once again robust discussion you may see some amendments or substitution in full committee. And that's fine. It's still gives us that chance to bet it all out. And then it goes to the floor for full discussion and in many cases I'll give you an example courts of justice in years past. I'm not an attorney by trade if I knew that. Have Bill came out of courts of justice that survey when he was a delegate if I had albo and servile and bell all you know supporting that bill. I knew this is probably a good deal for Julia and get A. You know a bipartisan agreement. On their bills for example written amazing job on a very large piece of legislation Regarding energy policy this year but that was one of those bills that it was. I mean almost. It would be substituted out on the floor. Big changes to clean energy economy. Act Was the Anti-discrimination bill that was coming through. I mean that hits the floor on a substitute and that bill. We weren't allowed to take by for the day so we had a chance to go through it and were forced to literally and has a floor substitute of all things so those we don't get to see in the dance right. It gets filed it up perhaps nations with. I had this year being a quick system. That is assistant. We see these things on so it hits were voting on all these bills trying to keep up with all these other votes. The outing one you know gets passed by temporarily still not time to actually go through it. All in there were expected to take a vote on. That's not it's still provides an efficient process but that is not a process that allows Proper due diligence of legislation In that's not. I think what her body was meant to how we met the process We have a committee system for reason and the expectation is when a bill hits the floor if there are changes they're small they're minor and they're easily understandable on how the impact other parts of the legislation not robust substitutes. However you know one part of this process that has received some criticism is the conference committee. We've actually talked about this on the podcast. There are a lot of changes that are made at the very last minute in conference committee and lawmakers have very little chance to look at those changes a really good example of this is last year. Wendy redistricting and then they came forward. There was all kinds of stuff and the conference committee version of that Bill. That was not in the earlier versions right so I hear what you're saying about the committee's having the chance to things and you had very little time to look at the floor substitutes but the other side of that argument is looking down the time line. Eventually you're handed a conference report that you have very little time to look at right. Well so the redistricting bill. I don't remember having that many changes because if you remember if you look at the introduce language in the Senate bill and which is very different than the introduced language in the House Republican Bill Right. I mean so. The language that was passed last year was written by House. Dis All the Senate by caucus members. I think were CO patrons on that bill is significantly. That was the bill that allowed the eight and eight are bill in. The House prevented any legislator from serving on District District Committee which is kind of ironic discussions this year So what happened was we ended up adopting being forced to adopt via the Senate and House. Tease the Senate language which wasn't new to us because that came over prior year. So yes it is It was changed significantly from the House version but we already seen that language because almost all already in the Senate bill. The stuff that happened this year was out of the blue. It wasn't a you know a bill being amended to look like the Senate bill. It was flat out brand new language. The other really big thing that happened. This year was the gun. Day protests and which more or less. Shut down the General Assembly or felt like at shut down the journal clear. You guys still did your business. But from the public's perspective It was hard to move around Do you think the Democrats played this right? Where they from their perspective did all the low hanging fruit in year. One and they'll come back and do civil liability in the future or do you think that. Democrats made a huge mistake here by poking a Hornet's nest with the gun right's activist community. Oh I think that they messed up and not just because of that. It is poorly written legislation. I think I've seen which is why some stuff got dead in the Senate and why some stuff got changed. I mean you know there's a reason why Levine's bill childhood childhood against it because he looked at the language and realized the problems that it was going to happen when you have begun bill written by people that don't understand firearms you kind of have a problem and a whole bunch of unintended consequences. I mean look at the look at the bill to That changed or increase penalties To one the five years in prison for recklessly Having a firearm around someone under the age of eighteen that could endanger life or limb. And there's a reason why that God bill to the Senate. They decrease those penalties as much as I possibly could save realized. Oh my God is the most ambitious language we've ever seen granted that language exists today. But it's the two hundred fifty dollars penalty not one to five years in prison Goto the background. Check Bill. Where it actually is so in the status quo today you do not have to disclose If you have been under a temporary detention order and subsequently go to voluntarily a mission for help for mental illness you don't have to disclose that today now. We can argue whether you should or shouldn't but when you put that in the new bill and now someone realizes if I go for temporary help it's going to prevent me from getting a firearm down the road my family. We've just given a reason for people not to see help. Tell me that was a piece to having that background bill. So the overreach was astronomical. I thought we were going to have discussions philosophical discussions on firearms this year and and policies. We didn't need to give me a piece of legislation. Written that was written. Would that was not written poorly with a lot of unintended consequences. You're not gonNA find one I would love to hear both of your perspectives on this past election and the influence or not influenced guns had on that election so leading into that election. There was that special session. The governor called lawmakers to Richmond and the Republican leadership made the determination that nothing was gonna come out of that special session. Was that a mistake. I think that there needed to be more robust discussion. I remember walking the district go into events and so many voters Republicans. Moderate Democrats were stuck between two false choices. They didn't like the policies that Democrats were talking about but they also didn't like the fact that Republicans wouldn't even have the conversation. And that's the quagmire that I think we found ourselves in China. I found myself in trying to explain as I was needing the voters during the election. I will speak up and say that one of the bravest souls during the special session. We're sitting on that podcast with Glenn Davis. Because he was one of the few and one of the very few. There was a minority of Republican. Legislators who said we'll maybe there is a solution and then all of a sudden Todd Gilbert who I not the biggest fan of decides okay. We're just GONNA turn it and call today. Boom there were done. We can't tell people who have real problems and I mean my name's Colt because my dad loves Cole Pistols. We love guns and our family either. That is not alive named Mathew Cole Hall because of Cult. But we have to show them that we have a vision and we have an ability to talk about these issues and care and show compassion and todd. Gilbert Cox. Love hate them. Whatever didn't show a vision. And they just said we don't care we're only doing the NRA's bidding band session done. When I was just saying I'd point out that there's probably a difference in the politics between suburban voters in rural voters When it comes to firearms in in rural Virginia at least it's often a way of life with hunting and all the family Traditions that go on with that Or even just target shooting. You don't have to be hunting right. There's nothing wrong with shooting at a bucket or something like that in the backyard. If you've got enough space on your property for it But then in the suburbs dialogue is well you know. I don't want my kid to get shot at school Can you guys just like keep the guns at home right so I think there's a difference clearly in the suburban vote which used to be reliably Republican. And you're now seeing the rise of the suburban women voting for Democrats because there's like eighty percent at least at the Virginia electorate agreed at least during the campaign with the democratic. Talking points around guns on that issue but but but the word that you said that so important is dialogue. Show me where the dialogue was. Even I I've always believed that you don't necessarily get support and respect someone agrees with you. You get support respect because you show up you willing to have the conversations you will explain why you feel the way you do and I think that's where a lot of this was missed. You're right I mean I remember one of the most interesting debates oversaw as an aide was the whole concept of of bringing a rifle the school..