Frank, Dr Palmer, Shell Magazine discussed on The Oil Patch
Doctor and Palmer. Author of the shell Controversy book that is out now. Ah. Great book to get David. I know you have a question for Dr Palmer. Go ahead. Yes, in and of course Dr Palmer are in. You asked us to call you and, um the title of the book is so perfect because Yes, it is, As we all know, here sitting here we write about constantly and Shell magazine. There has been great controversy surrounding shell development, hydraulic fracturing. I was in the government of Affairs Arena in the industry and my career and in 2000 and eight we saw, you know a the the environmentalist groups and the news media and really even the entertainment industry Mount. This campaign began mounting a campaign To essentially demonize hydraulic fracturing. Asses as this evil force and pernicious threat to the environment. And so there's been a great I mean, my gosh. We had episodes of almost every TV series on network television, blaming fracking for for all manner of things, but But yes, You know, we've also had the development of science around that We're seismicity and flaring and all these controversial issues have developed around it. So I just wonder what You know, made this particular moment in time In your view, the right time to publish this boot. Look, it certainly seems like the right time to me to do something along these lines. Yes, I have hope that and I'm well aware of the political situation now and just cute story when I was when I was soliciting for my talk and fracking in earthquakes that The response was often on well of Frank's couldn't good or bad. And so in Dallas, where I did this to save Frank's a good and I said, Well, I said, I present both sides of the story. I went to you in Durango, Colorado with a lot of environmental liberals there and I said They asked me the same question that they wanted me to say, Frank. So bad. I'm so it It was very political, and I realized I needed to be careful. But I was honest. I'm a straight shooter, and I said, Look, I want to present both sides of this. Okay, every aspect of it so For example. Contamination off aquifers. Okay and again. I was coming out of the shell oil and gas, which is being a revolution the last 20 years, I said. Shale Frank's, They start deep. They usually deeper than 5000 ft aquifers shallower than 1000 ft. I said it's been proven that the Frank's never Grow up into those that with its okay, We've got measurements that proved that And so I can say things like that. But then I can also admit that Sometimes the aquifers of being contaminated and so what's that, dude? Well, it's well construction. It's generally a poor, cementing job, okay, and and it's good for the press to point that out. And it Z. Good All cos to be honest. Be transparent. Uh, admit it and fix it up promptly get that fixed up, Frank. That Z example. So if you want another example. Sure. What do you teach? Okay. Um, Frank's, um, these days, typically the long horizontal wells and the high volume fracturing It takes 20 million gallons of water to Frank one. Well, I mean up to 40 times, 40 separate tracks along the well. How much water is that? So I calculated that On a football stadium. If you take if you put it, If you can find all that water to the grassed area, the water would rise. 40 Ft 40 ft of water over the grassed area. That's Frank used in Frank's in just one. Well, So if you have 100 Wells, you've got 100 stadiums. And so this seems like an enormous amount of water. Okay, It's not not. Well understood. On the other hand on if you're in a drought area like we are in New Mexico, you really need to be thinking about that. You need to making sure that information is out. You don't want to be competing with branches and irrigation and drinking water for the city's Yeah, right. Exactly So But on the other hand in New Mexico, less than 1% of water usage is fracking and drunk less than 1%. The big The big elephant is Irrigation 7 70% exactly, But there's two sides of the story.