So this is serious stuff here. This information data there in New Zealand here in the states and it's obviously imperative that as native people, we protect that data in regards to its sovereignty. And how do you do that? Man, how do you protect some of this data that is so easily used in ways that don't necessarily benefit indigenous people? What's the process there for protecting that and ensuring that we have data sovereignty? Yeah, incredibly complicated and so the parts that are administered by the state and certainly in the New Zealand context we have quite a lot of leader managed the governance there. So administrative data collected by the state. We can have Marty governance or advisory boards in place to manage the use of that data. There's also a lot of should we say social and cultural license here. So we're the state gets it wrong. There can be a lot of very strong pushback both in the media and through, especially social media and the population. So I'm reasonably confident that we are making the right steps and the administrative space. We're it becomes a little bit more complicated for us as we have a data held by companies you have facebooks and googles about Marty or even some of the DNA companies. And lots of I don't know how we're going to overcome governance issues there. We've certainly talk of trying to put cultural cultural, what's the word for it? Like plant variety rights. So you can see where the part of Mahdi and the knowledge or the information has come from this sort of tags put on data. So it may not protect and provide data governance, but it provides an identifier for where Mario data is being used. And that once that identifier is more widely used that can potentially help us move to a better governance space. But it's incredibly difficult once it gets data that's in the private sector. Certainly, certainly, and you mentioned Facebook and the whole social media angle as well. And that's on the top of everybody's concerns right now with regard to privacy and data collection with regard to technology. So just a really, really interesting discussion. I want to thank our three guests today. Casey lozar, Alicia Murphy and Matt Ross Scrooge for what's been a really insightful conversation on information and data collection as it pertains to indigenous populations. Join us on native America calling in tomorrow as we talk about new music from native artists. Until then, I'm Sean spruce. Are you a Native American healthcare provider, recovery counselor, social worker, domestic and sexual abuse advocate or traditional healer working in Native American communities, doctor ruby Gibson will begin a 6 month advanced immersion in healing historical trauma. This online masterclass looks through the lens of a 7 generational recovery