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The right occasionally suffer from a fear of flying. Doing the past 10 years, Getting on an airplane has become an act of remembrance. Each necessary surrender every new, sometimes frustrating security measure. Is an acknowledgement that too I'm attempting to glide on wind currents on borrowed wings. While also hoping praying to land safely on the ground. And waged on to her essay flight was published in The New Yorker on the 10th anniversary of 9 11 Christie, a abdominal parents, Edward Adderly, junior Ernest, Ala. Ka coz Joseph Ryan Allen, Richard Dennis Allen. Richard L. Alan. Peter. Paul. Apollo Faustino Hostile, Jr. Frank Thomas. Cool, You know Patrick Michael around you. David Gregory. ANKARA, Michael George Marchionne's Miss Ari Barbara are now it's impossible to calculate all the many consequences of September 11th to our lives. To foreign and domestic policy and to the shape of the country. But certainly the most immediate policy consequence was the United States is an invasion of Afghanistan. It began just weeks after the attacks, and that long and bloody episode has now just ended. The Taliban, which had sheltered al Qaida's leaders are fully in charge of that country once again. So what now? And on. Hi. Hi. How are you? Good, David. Thanks. You're in Qatar. Now. I'm in Qatar. Yeah. Contributor AnAnd Gopal was en route to Afghanistan when I spoke with him. Couple has reported extensively on the Taliban and very few Western journalists has spent so much time with its members. And on many of the young Taliban members who recently surged into Kabul and into cities and towns all over Afghanistan. They weren't even born when 9 11 happened. I wonder when they talk about 9 11 when they think about 9 11. This is an event that fundamentally shaped their lives. And they have no memory of it. How do they talk about it? Well, David. The remarkable thing is that most of them don't even know about 9 11, and many of them have no conception of it. Or the foggiest notion of it. Um You know, they'll say yes, there was some attacks in the USA. But they don't really link 9 11 to what's happened in their country for the last 20 years. Why do they think the United States came to Afghanistan invaded Afghanistan in the first place? You know, it's interesting. I often ask Taliban members and on top of members. Why do you think the U. S is here? And they give all sorts of reasons from, you know? We have minerals here and you know the Soviets wanted our precious metals. And now the U. S does to. You know, they just hate our way of life, which always struck me as interesting because that was The frame that we were using on 9 11 here in the U. S. Of course, it's different when you Get to the edge. You know the sort of more elite Taliban who follow the news, But I'm talking about the rank and file. Taliban really don't see their conflict or their struggles having anything to do with September 11th. Now here we are in late summer, 2021, a Taliban spokesman recently told The New York Times. We want to build a future and forget what happened in the past now having spent so much time and areas that were better controlled by the Taliban. What would you say? Is the likelihood of all that happening? Earlier this week, we saw the Taliban used force to break up a women's rights demonstration in Kabul and And while they speak of a kind of new Policy, whether it's about women or education or any number of other things. How much does the Taliban changed? Yeah, I think we should be very skeptical of these sorts of claims from the Taliban leadership. I mean, if you look at the point of view of your typical rank and file Taliban member, these are people who really never left their village or their district. They've mostly seen war and violence. And if anybody is under the age of 21, who's in the Taliban? That's all they've known is fighting in war. Now you can imagine. From their perspective. There's a number of family members have been killed. There's friends and comrades have been killed, and what they're thirsting for is revenge. First of all, Secondly, from their perspective, they say, we won this war We've marched into Kabul. We took this out, right? We don't need to concede anything to anybody. And so from that milieu, there's really a sense that, uh, the Taliban should be trying to return to the 19 nineties and reinstate that government. I was there in the 19 nineties without Sharing power without making any concessions towards women's rights. And I'm afraid that that probably that element is the majority of the movement. There's a minority of the movement who say all the right things who are a little bit more polished, who spent time outside the country but they don't really have the power on the ground. In other words, these were the people that spend time in, you know the Ritz Carlton's of the world making agreements and having diplomatic meetings with with all kinds of, uh, Western countries, But the people on the ground who are going to make the policy are Not much different. Well, I'm literally right now. You know, it's Carlton waiting to interview top officials. So yes, in Doha. So exactly these are people. I mean, if I was thinking as I was walking through the corridors of this hotel today, if Any Taliban members on the ground, and Helmand could see the complete splendor that these their officials are living under. You know, you'd wonder if the movement would even hold together. The Taliban just named a number of people to top government posts and among them The head of the Haqqani network, was named acting minister of Interior. What do you read into these kinds of appointments? Well, I think you know, I was looking at the ministry and the list of Cabinet members, and what's striking about them is that almost every single one had held the position in the 19 nineties government..

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