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"And you can vote at my account at its Vince Quin or you can go and do it on the March Reese, WIP, accounts course, I'm in from arts and reach today, and it's not close right now with three hundred votes. Seventy seven percent of people are saying the reason that the eagles or rather who's been playing better. It's the rest of the team the rest of the team has been playing better than what falls has been giving you. So are we giving too much to Nick foles seems like it seems like we're putting a lot on that Nick foles plate. He's getting a lot of credit. This is a really good football team. And so. That's why I lean Carson Wentz. Ultimately goes to the stuff because we always discount the fact that this is a team that won the Super Bowl. It's not just Nick foles. This is a team that beat the Rams that beat the Texans that beat Washington got some help. And this team is really really good. And really talented if I'd vote for executive of the year. I don't have the, unfortunately. The hall of fame voters and other like we're not leading this clown. And he's he's crazy. But if I had the chance to vote. I would vote Roseman executive of the year. And I would do that. Because this team is so deep and talented despite all the injuries you go through all the other teams in the playoffs that have guys on. I are there is one other team that has had as many guys on. I are the eagles have thirteen right now on I R. You've also got Wentz if you want to count him. Plus you've got Richard Rodgers and Mike Wallace. Both those guys came off VR that's sixteen guys in total at some point in the year that have been on. I are no other team has that except the colts who right now have fourteen so they they are more beat up than any team. And they feel just as dangerous if not more dangerous than basically everybody. That's the eagles right now. This is a deep and talented in in crazy good squad. So if we're going to have all these debates, and Nick foles is the magic man that's fixing everything and Wentz is going to run out of town with I'd better here that he's playing better than the rest of the team. Because if he's not then. When you can't sell me on the idea that Nick foles is the guy for this team as much as he's become the big story. And he's a story bigger than the team right now, whatever they do on Sunday where it seems to be the general agreement that that foles is not playing as well as the rest of the team. So if that's true and they go and beat the bears. What's the story after they beat the bears? What's the headline? It's going to be well, Nick foles, right? Nick foles. Does it again? And the eagles win. It's going to be what does this mean for Carson Wentz with each passing week in victory? That's what it's going to be all about. So we're obsessing about this guy all the time. But if if the teams playing better football, then it's even harder to convince me the Carson Wentz isn't the guy because we're giving too much credit to Nick foles, so eight eight eight seven to nine ninety four ninety four pound nine four nine four gets you in. Let's talk to Tim and blur town, Tim, you're on WIP. Happy new year. Happy new year. Hey, I agree. One hundred percent that is the team showed up, and you touched on three points one in particular. Aaron donald. Walked in with sixty and a half sacks walked out with sixteen and a half set. Like that O line has not done that earlier in the season Wentz was on his back. Unfortunately, all the time. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. And you know, how to know where you got the leading rusher literally walks in with your folks in particular and a half also sixteen and a half. I mean like you said defensive MVP that's insane. And now you're going up against Khalil Mack. And honestly, it makes me think that they can do it again. You're knocking Jenkins. He has been I I wanna say the glue of this team this year years helping together simplifying the defense. You know, guys like craven? Oh, look like off the block, you know? No name guy is now making some serious plays. Just that whole secondary decimated. And what was it the Rams game? I mean, these guys look like a top not defense. So I think a lot of credit cards and Malcolm Jenkins as well. There's no doubt that foles is is is providing a spark. But I think the team in general is it's feeding off that sparked and it is allowing them to play as a team. Yeah. Not ready. I am not ready. They sent west at all by any means. I'm a hundred percent believer. And Carson Wentz. I think he provides a lot more other than just skill and talent, I think character, you know, a guy like that in the locker rooms do not want to go. No doubt. You know? I it's it's it's it's a tough call, and you know, time will tell, but I don't I don't think you went at all because. With with time. Can't judge on what he's done so far? Like the guy literally had a was it. They labeled as a stress fracture in his back. Back that was over time. We first heard about it in October. Right. He missed a day of practice and then consecutive weeks. Two weeks in a row missed a day of practice. And they activated felt a game. Yeah. He could be overcompensating for his leg which caused that injury. So it's one injuries that caused this injury. So which tells me he wasn't a hundred percent ready to come back. And because of that, I'm not ready to give up on them. I wanna see him at one hundred percent because if you put one hundred percent foles in front of me and one hundred percent healthy winter me, I'm taking wins any day of the week. Yeah. And I think most people are Tim and thanks for the call. One hundred percent Wentz is really really really really really really really really really really good. Did I say enough really I might not have. I don't know. But I go back and watch the highlights. I mean, really just go back and watch Carson Wentz 2017 highlights and see what comes up because you see amazing stuff for all the things we say about discounting, Nick foles, the one thing. That's the price of me. The most is how people discount weds like in these discussions in no way. Do I think Carson Wentz? It's not an unbelievable quarterback. I think he's going to be a hall of Famer the only reason I wouldn't stick with Carson Wentz. Is that I think Nick foles might be that good to if he does this again this year, I'm gonna have to start considering that he's like Kurt Warner. But like there's nothing to do with Wentz. Like Winston hurt. He's hurt. Yeah. Hardawy people can't understand this. What did they expect from guy with a broken back? We seen Wentz healthy for thirteen games. He destroyed the league for those thirteen games. He's going to be fine. It's just. It's hard to make an argument against Carson Wentz. I just think it's hard to also discount Nick foles. You don't know Nick falls is it's kind of mystery box. Isn't it like totally the mystery by what you would expect Carson Wentz through the mystery bus. But he's not Carson Wentz is the known commodity. Carson Wentz is the young star quarterback. You know, as a bright future as long as you can stay healthy, when's the mystery box that guy give you a thousand dollars where I say there's some amount of money in this box. But I won't tell you how much it's probably less. But the thought that it could be more. They gave her see dealer. No deal. Totally dealer. Not that you could take the five hundred thousand dollars or at risk for a million like forces that risk foles is opening the case and seeing what's in your case. And maybe you end up with nothing. And I just I got to think through that decision before I hit that red button and say, no dealer deal. You know, what I mean like, I gotta think about it. I can't go away for the mystery box until I really think about the decision. Yeah. And that's why you gotta consider all the angles. That's the thing. You got to look at every possible avenue in excuse or prop up whatever it is. That goes into these arguments. You gotta analyze everything because it's such a big decision. You're talking about the future of the franchise of a team that has now won the Super Bowl and made their way back into the playoffs and looks like the team they should be. And unfortunately, they don't have the seating to help them out in terms of maybe they get a playoff game late in the year. They they just can't because you're the sixty. But man, they finally look like the team they were supposed to be last year. And so as were tearing all of this apart and trying to figure out Wednesday versus falls, and who should stay and how good is Nick foles, really because he's just been such a big crazy story that it gets weirder by the game and more miraculous and inspiring by the game as much as you see all of that. You've got to ask the question 'cause he's getting the credit who's been playing better as it went to the rest of. The full of the rest of the team. And when I look at it, I have to say the rest of the team has been playing some really good football. And I'm taking the rest of the team. It's not Nick foles putting this team on his back and willing them into the playoffs. He's played some good football. He's had nice games in solid stat lines. And all that. But what is the reason they're in? It's because the team as a whole has gotten so much better. Think of how the defense is improved. Think of how the offensive line has improved the running game kill Wendell Smallwood. All you want the guy for being a fringe running back. Make some decent plays out there. He can be serviceable. So this is a good team Darren sproles, it's a good team. It's. Hey, you know, that's that's what it's like. And we just did this last year. We're we're like less than a year removed from that speech. And here we are just saying, oh, it's all Nick foles. Let's build them the statue. Let's he's the new rocky key to the city likely. He's our he's going to run the franchise for the next five ten years. Like, it's crazy how much is going into Nick foles. But if you believe that there's a couple of things that you really need to examine and I don't think can can be all true at the same time. You can't believe that the team is playing better than foles right now. You can't believe that micro should be fired and you and together with those two things that full should be the quarterback of this team going forward. If you think the offensive coordinator was so bad throughout the course of the season that he needs to go, despite the fact they've made the playoffs, and I would be in that camp still I would fire micro. I would do it. I hope they do it. I just don't think he's been competent. So if you if you think that if you think the teams playing better than Nick foles has been playing, and it's it's been at least a mutual effort rather than foles carrying the teen. Then all those things point to the fact that this is a really good team. The Carson didn't get the same help. And he wasn't getting the same level of play because the team was bad early in the year. So all of those things stack up they all suggest to me that went should be the guy, and that's what it all goes back to as much as we're going to take because this bears game is the story of Nick foles versus the bears. This is Nick foles going into Soldier Field. And like, it's the Roman gladiators. And he's got literally like fifteen bears that are unleashed in the arena. And he's just slaying them all like, he's some God. I mean, that's what people are. To treat it as if they win this game is Nick foles. The great conquering hero has a bunt. Here's a bearskin rug in every room. You've got one next to his toilet.."