Scott, Greg, Chess discussed on The Psychology Podcast


For sure. I think i wanna talk about information. And we both talked to her at the same time. Something there about it about the extended mind where we were. We were so in sync that we both at the same pause did the same hand i think so i mean i right in the chapter an on interception about how the way we know how another person feels is that we subtly mimic their Their facial expressions their posture their gestures. And then we kind of read that off our own bodies and that gives us. That creates a channel. I understand that otherwise inaccessible feelings of another person. So maybe in that moment scott you and i were engaged in that kind of interest of dance. Greg were able to illustrate that people who watch the video. You can watch that happen in real time on planet. I do want to do a segue into talk about information. Overload a really important topic that you me about your book and i really enjoyed that discussion yearbook and the extent to which you know we have this bombardment of information. We too much for a conscious mind to resume. We're not privy to the extent to which our unconscious minds are it's influencing our unconscious right and i just wondering if you could talk a little about perhaps how people who design social media platforms are other sort of News outlets etc. Take an account some of the principles. You don't combined your book so interesting in terms of information overload thinking about. Yeah yeah interesting. Okay i have. I have two thoughts. There one is that. I make the argument in the book. That are the biological brain is kind of operating at peak capacity at this point. And there's so much information coming out us. Our expertise is so special. Is our problems as you've made reference to a couple of times are so daunting that the biological brain on its own is not really up to the task that we really have to acquire what i call a second education in thinking outside the brain at skillfully using these external resources in order to meet that meet the moment really of you know what our world demands of us and then the other thought i had you know i talk about non conscious information acquisition in the chapter on interest option. Because that was the explanation. Just like the nature loving stuff. I initially approached the idea of of Intuition that's informed by interception with a little bit of skeptic skepticism like You know gut feelings like how often like how would that work like that. Sounds a little mystical but idea or the Research the research suggests. Is that as you were saying. There's so much information coming at us all the time just in daily life that are conscious minds can't absorb it all but we can store and register and store a lot of that in our in a non conscious way in terms of noting patterns and regularities and but these these patterns are too complex for our conscious minds to really to us to be able to articulate in a conscious way so the way we have access to those those helpful patterns and signals is is through. The the those introspective cues. You know that's a you know a sudden sort of tightening in your stomach or a sudden elevation your heart rate. That's what that's your body telling you this pay attention. This is something even counted before. You've you've you've had maybe had a similar experience before and this is how you acted. So we get access to all that non non consciously stored information through the body. And that's why it's so important to be attuned to what the body is telling you otherwise you're missing out on on all that the richness of that information that you actually do process. I think it's a really good point you're talking about how is it. Different from intuition how you know rationality decision-making researchers refer to intuition is similar is it is it different because a lot of them argue that always strikes me how much how you know. It's such a strong current and our culture to want to see ourselves as perfectly rational as as computing machines. And i just really take a different view that we have this incredibly rich source of of wisdom and knowledge and information. That's there with us all the time in our bodies. And why wouldn't we take advantage of that. Not not that. We shouldn't be that we should act on it. Uncritically and in fact i describe an exercise in the book called keeping an intercept interceptor journal which means Sort of tracking which involves tracking your interest emptive sensations. And what they're telling you and then if you act on them how the how that decision turned out just looking at interception and our our bodily signals as another source of information. That can possibly be very informative. I'm not that we should base everything on that. But i don't think it's smart to base everything on rush on pure rationality either. Yes so it sounds like this. You're arguing not at all incompatible with a mindful way of life you know you can use that you can be aware of the information coming through your body and you can also be mindful of of whether or not you wanted to apply it right right and then just to you know you mentioned expertise there a moment ago and i do think that the extended mind has implications for how we think about expertise because i think our brain bound notion of expertise that the expert does it all in his head. You know that that. He's the chess grandmaster who never has to has to do anything except sit there and cogitate you know and i think if you look at how experts actually operate in in the real world. These are people who know how to use their bodies who know how to pay attention in a skilful way to their internal signals who know how to use space who know how to use relationships. That's an away. The essence or the core of their expertise and their skill is that they do use their extended mind in an incredibly skilful ineffective way and. That's something novices actually could emulate rather than thinking that as you become more expert you become more brain bound. I think it's just the opposite. You extend it to To culturally and socially say better together. Why does your word scott. I'm very characteristic. I think of you. Oh cool Well you do argue that engaging in synchronous activity maybe those are your words. Synchronous kronius activity with others. is can be very beneficial and And i thought this kind of cute The effect of eating families heightened if food is served family style. And it's very spicy. Yeah not even just as a family but as a group like a a team or a class of people. yeah because The way we get on the same page you know intellectually or mentally with people and we can do that. By sort of hacking the are bodily systems which which respond to synchronise movement. As you're saying like when we when we're moving together when you're are or your head moves at the same time my head moves it. It's it's sort of Flip the switch. What jonathan hike calls the hive. Switch you know this like Which is his metaphor for like switching from an eye orientation to a we orientational moammar moving. Together it feels kind of like we're one being you know and then when we not only moved together as as one but also have intense feelings or experiences whether those are physiological experiences emotional experiences when we feel together we also feel like we're we can get on the same page mentally in a a a more effective way so the idea behind eating together as like you're actually. There's something about eating together that's meaningful. Of course you're sharing resources you're sharing food. But you're also in an informal way of synchronizing your movements everyone sort of lifting there for to their mouths and chewing and you know and then also when you eat. Something spicy are all experiencing together this. This physiological arousal. So there's a kind of glue that binds together when they've had all these shared experiences for sure.

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