Margaret Thatcher, Jordan Peterson, Church Of Scotland discussed on John Anderson: Conversations


Wider social reform Jordan Peterson. He makes the point that redemption will not be at the level of political by being involved in politics. But rather at the level of the individual on I'm sure that is a profound insight and we talk about collective action. Of course, we have to act collectively, but we need to be coming, if you like to apply when we want to engage in collective activism from a will sort of personal view, so we're not out. So they simply say to smash and destroy because we're angry or we're victims I think we need to find out feet again. And what's really interesting about the whole deal. Peterson thing is that so many young people in this country. Anyway, that the venues that he spoke at was sold out, within minutes, guy online, same in London. Big wake-up, coal full. I would have thought a lot of today's intelligentsia, who have been very, very reluctant to grapple with the fact that a lot of young people are not all that taken with the cycle empathy culture. I know there's more to life that they do. And it's a very encoding phenomenon that he's emerged. But Lincoln, some of the things we've been talking about the hostility his faced when you see a university like the university of Cambridge supposedly one of the elite academies of learning, I think of learning as a should be of openness to new ideas when university like Cambridge in my own country refuses to engage with Peterson turns him. Way. I think it sort of another illustration of the problems we've been talking about what actually is, as an aside, as we've seen in our country resistance, the idea of teaching western culture, universities because of the tool about what's Premacy and what have you. The real reason is a lot of universities that have those courses were offered a lot of students would give up the pretty fluffy stuff that many of those universities are offering. That's part of it. And this is the Ramsey found the ranch. Senate. Soviet western civilization. I don't see how you can locate where you are. Let alone work outweigh to go an uncertain time. If you don't understand your past. You know, big lib on whitewash it, you can live from the mistakes, as well as the things we got. Right. We always. Learn more from mistakes. Yeah. So why not teach them properly inaccurately and personally, I'm not saying any great shakes, but if I've ever grown advanced as a human being very often because I've had to here's something very uncomfortable. I think we grand more out of realizing sometimes that we've filed we've got it wrong. We're not as good as we think we are. That when we're being patted on the back until the, you're the center of the universe, and everything, you believe in his absolutely Ryan, we'll for capitalism is sort of a parallel example of this. I think people look at capitalism is driven by profit, actually, I think it's most driven by loss, because when you're making money you carry on doing pretty much what you started to, and that, that's the reward for a successful innovation. But it's loss when things start turning down when businesses and sectors hit trouble. That's when you get the real of new competitors emerge, or you closed down doing things that aren't working anymore. That's what makes capitalism the huge dynamic force. It is in the world, often, I finding government, you'll be a better person having served in government. It's actually the reverse incentive structure, I think it was Milton Friedman told about about this in government, when things going. Wrong softener tendency, could you don't want to be come a mattress public more money is thrown at the thing that isn't working because you don't want to defeat and it's, it's willingness to react to loss to react to mistakes to learn from era to learn from criticism. If we stop doing that, then we really aren't doomed. Well, I can't argue with that Ola to pick up something you've just said they profited off. Nah, pint duty would in fact, properly understood. Prophet is very good thing. It's lifted countless countless numbers of people out of poverty. If the ground rules are fair and produce two sweaters, but I only need one. Your producing a fat lamb and you've got an excess one and you'll we wanna do you should be the one. You know, we can do a trial and we'd both profit. We're both in our own view further ahead than we would otherwise Bain and the retention of providence plowing back into further production. What is lifted countless countless people out of poverty? About your answer to this question of Bieber. If I could have given this. The opportunity to live in any time in world history. I think it would be now similar to now because this is a time when because of people pursue profit the medicines that we have the freedoms technologies, the escape from boredom unparalleled really if you are a woman or a minority, the opportunities much greater than they were in imperial of, of greater prejudice. There are plenty of things going wrong in the world at the moment, I think the weakness of family and community social media culture that we've been discussing, but I think these are problems that we need to strive to fix and to be grateful for, for world, western civilization produce. I think most of these benefits have been produced on the back of western civilizations commitment to learning and reason, and to the Christian ethic of looking after one's one's neighbor. So among. The gloom. Let's be grateful for what has been achieved off the back of this of this set of the Rijn Harrison to enjoy life on that hard to argue with. It's useful segue into something that I think you and I would. Pose which is that? Sound economics, which would be painted as conservatives by some. Actually, I think can be and ease probably very compassionate. The left will often argue that compassionate mains heart levels of taxation and levels of redistribution. In fact, I would argue that, that can be a title fight, or, and deliver very bad outcomes. You've often used the term I think, compassionate conservatism. What do you mean by that? The best book. I've read on boggled Thatcher was a book by Shirley, Robin Letwin. You've come across it personally, but it's a book written by all of the Letwin, who's currently because mother and she frames Thatcherism. As a creed of individualism, but not to creative individualism. I think is understood today. I think a lot of people think of individualism as a sort of. What I want me. Now I am indifference to anyone else of a selfish. Individualism and. Robbie let win in this book, if you look how Mrs Thatcher always understood, particularly, and I think one of the best beaches, ever given on the league between Christianity and public policy speech, the Margaret Thatcher gave in nine thousand eighty eight the church of Scotland the speech, I know you're familiar, it's remarkable. The seven on the mound. It was named in the business of trying to give speeches and listening to speeches and it's up there with the best road rage. Which vote and easy to find online for any of your watching listening to to this. But in that speech in one thousand nine hundred and how should they wrote me, let win describes? It was an individualism absolutely rooted in a social context of family community neighborhood of an individual's and taking the best from went western civilization. An idea of noble, individualism and shut rubbing Weltman talks about Mrs Thatcher really believed in the vigorous virtues of courage of uprightness of sacrifice of people who would do the best for other other people, Mrs Thatcher was first Methodist, background, and one of the great Methodists of history, Wesley's, his, his most, which Mrs Thatcher wolf people earn as much as you can save as much as you can give as much as you can so long onset your. Question. But this is a I think, is the heart of compassionate conservatism. No setting people free to do what ever they want, but setting them free in the context of a Judy Christian civilization, an ethic of community where they serve other people. They have people through lampy through job creation through public service and Mrs Thatcher world horrified towards the end of the probably why she starts giving speeches like she did to the church of Scotland that when her policies help a lot of people come ridge. Yes, there was a lot of social benefit to them, creating jobs, off the back of their own wealth. The, the products that they created that reduced the price of consumer goods allowed people to be liberated from the homes from backbreaking labor etcetera. But she thought that the very ripples of give much more that they would be more than throw pick. And she was very disappointed that lack of willingness to, to be. Socially responsible. And I think that's part of the challenge for considers today is to remember that we are not just an economic creed. The most important thing in life is not is not money. Will you read the book by David Brooks, where he talks about the difference between resume values hand eulogy fires? What do you lead your your life? Or do you take decisions for what you can put in your curriculum vitae? Do you live the life will when

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