The community? I'm one of the instructors at the grade school in the high school here. And we covered that a little bit, but we're not really concerned with that because a lot of that culture that spearfishing culture comes to your family. And in many cases, in many cultures, there's coming of age ceremonies. And so when a man or a lady gets to be a certain age, is the first kill the first year, their first rabbit. The first part is the first fish. They're all part of that coming of age ceremony. So when you get to things, you have a little ceremony in your elders and your community members, your relatives all come and they support you. And they'll give you stories, they'll give you knowledge, how to take care of that fiction. And so on and so forth, they'll give you maybe a spear or a gun or a bullet or whatever you know, a knife. And so it's really important to carry tradition towards and when you occupy your life with these traditional style of harvesting and living up the land, like again, I said food sovereignty comes all the way back. We take care of ourselves. We don't need to eat fish sticks. Then that's the best food for us in our children. And Greg, are we thinking of, what is the best way to prepare and eat sturgeon? Well, like Marvin said earlier, you know what we do is we're big on smoking fish in our community. We smoke white fish, musky, northern, even wildlife sometimes, but that surgeon. That stopped here, that's the best stuff. They said that you can smoke that. There's different ways different types of brines you can use. We also make one from maple sugar that we use. And it is phenomenal. So yeah. That's the other part of our two, and we always tease people to people from electrifying more other nations we tease non native culture because some people say, why would you guys eat a sturgeon or a musky, they taste fishy in really? Yes, that's what fish are supposed to. Like Chris. And if you don't know how to cook it, then if you don't, if you don't like it, you probably never cooked it right. So interesting, interesting. Well, Doug Cox, how about down in menominee country? How do you folks eat sturgeon? Yeah, I'm similar. We've had that past down just like they have, you know, it's passed down from some not only in physically learning how to cook it, but our stories in our legends and our ceremonies, the nominee of the ceremony every spring and that's been going on for thousands of years. It is called a sturgeon ceremony. Now we've sort of modernized it because of those dams, but in April, we have a huge gathering, a huge polo in a massive feast. We take some of those fish that are donated from DNR in an MOU. And we'll smoke those and we serve them at the feast and we invite everybody and anybody that wants to come and free come celebrate with us. There's a historic dance. Nominee have called fish dance in that dance as part of our own to the sturgeon on their return and it's been practiced again for thousands of years. It's a sacred dance. Part of our stories we prepare those sturgeons to get smoked and feeds hundreds of people, they get to taste how we prepare those sturgeon and it's a really important cultural event for us every year. Young little ones all the way up to our elders, participate in this event. Well, Doug earlier, we heard these stories of 7 foot long sturgeons weighing up to 300 pounds. Nowadays, what is the average sized sturgeon that you see? Yeah, you know, the average drop in some is a number of factors. It's climate. It's fishing pressure. At least in our populations that we're talking about, not like Winnebago, those ones that Greg talked about in those non natives that are spearing that resource down there. Do you know how does monitor it? But they're trying to balance it. The average fish isn't that big anymore. I mean, in fish standards, 50 inches probably you're talking about plenty average of a healthy sturgeon population. But again, there's those ones in there that are 6 and 7 feet long. I've seen them also. So they're in there, but on the average that they're not huge. In the lifespan, I mean, how many of them can live 70, 80, 90 years? Is that are those outliers or is that kind of the norm that they live that long? There's a portion of that population that are involved when it's just like there's a portion that are young ones so that balance is there, but those older ones, those 7 footers and again shown all at that dam and wolf river, the DNR does collect them every year. They collected one there that was 200 and 250 pounds. Over 70 long, that fish is estimated to be a 125, 130 years old. And when they collected that, I commented to the DNR folks in our meeting that's like, do you guys understand that this fish one when he was young? He was seen in this system without these dams. Think about that. This fish was swimming in the system without using them that are stopping him today and he comes back now at a 125 years old and getting experiences these blockages and not being able to come home anymore. So yeah, I mean that age they lived out long and there's an important message in every one of them. Well, unfortunately, we are going to have to wrap up our show now. We're out of time, but before we do, I want to thank our three guests today, Marvin defoe, Greg Johnson, and Douglas Cox for sharing native insights about the cultural significance of sturgeon, along with risks, facing sturgeon populations. 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