Murder, America, Bill James discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory


Say the keyword free bottle. Bill James works for the advises the Boston Red Sox. And so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sport swirling was talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being in that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing from the train because he likes to write about crime. So you want to finish that? You're you're fading out. The and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that just saying that you were presenting a dichotomy of. Working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. The saying that crime stories are fascinating too. It's because they they come from the parts of ourselves that we don't like to talk about. And don't really talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got up like a fish. I was I was I saw a documentary about the murders. Invalid guy called Velasco letting with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary far above the normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliscoll murders are a part of a series. So I started I was just going to put an hour into and to try to learn more about the series, but the the hour became a week and the week eventually became five. Five or six years. I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into chose. You. You can you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? The tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. It was the it was the preachers who was the circuit writing preachers. Ministers would come to these towns on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in why the community overall would benefit from his or her death, and it became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this to sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons. And then they would get passed around these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train. You're trying to bring in even though. One hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody's still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that it happened. Maybe some closure. On an exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in the deaths of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. That happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a great great and had been was one of the victims of the crime interest. Here had always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he had always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about. But it was it was a shot. He said he was tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that madman hadn't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow, and I don't know why it was important to him. Who I understand? Understanding the sense. It was important to to know what had happened, you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I've I've I don't know that there's a lot of difference. But he's still did have that reaction to that. Go ahead. Oh, please. No. Book book is about is is all all books. All good books are search for understanding a lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred. They Kerr two hundred years ago and. I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system is like how fantastically primitive. It was the what how people lived that. They they lived rich meaningful lives. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns one hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago, I was living these boring lives in which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and million people in our lives happen to people in small towns. I mean, they they got married they sell above and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs. They they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their deaths. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible deaths, but also trying to create a picture of how they live and and and give the reader. Understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town on two years ago. I think you did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism, and you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of a town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or their communities were laid out you can you can do that in and it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is it always with me that elevates the point you were just making and that has to do with the taco in the case asako invent Zeti? One of them. I think it was Sako. I had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes what are the crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think nineteen nineteen or nineteen eighteen and he had a. He had witnesses who said that on that particular day. He was delivering a to his neighbors in an Italian community a pickle eels because tickle deals were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there were there was, but there was conflict in testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done on December twenty four th because you never by the pickle deals on December on Christmas Eve, you have to buy them on December twenty second or something. So that you have time to prepare them and put them in on an ice wreck. Couple of days before you eat them. The it's a it's a tiny detail that you wouldn't would never never survive. I mean, you would never know that that was true of Italian talian American communities live two hundred years ago, except that it's important in a crime story. That's why crime stories. Are there are these little there's a flash of light that illuminates the details of? Something that would otherwise be totally forgotten. Yeah. I think that brings us very effectively to the Liska Iowa and the the crime story, which as you pointed out earlier is the one that starts to to give away. The communities are already catching on at this point to the fact that there's a killer on the railways take us take us through what happened invalid. On the night of June nine one thousand nine hundred twelve the lights were out in Felicita due to a dispute between the Velazquez city council and the power company, so they had city lights and streetlights, but they were out and the town was in complete darkness the Sunday night. There was a church service. A Sunday night church service organized by one of the victims. The woman who was the head of the house after the. After the service. I didn't get into this in the book. But I think it's true. I don't believe murderers would would ever have happened when they did had the lights been on. And the reason that was true is that he had committed another atrocity just six days earlier about a hundred miles away. And he normally would not have. Had another outrage that quickly, but because the lights the city was plunged into darkness. It was a perfect opportunity for him. And he couldn't pass it up. Anyway, re the two little girls named Anna Lena, still injure went home with a more family, the family of Henry Moore, they walked home after the church.

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