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"This is Potomac Watch house. Gamma Kratz finally. Send their articles of impeachment to the Senate after a month delay and a Senate trial will begin as early as Thursday. We'll tell you what happens. Connects plus a Democrats hold their seventh presidential debate and Elizabeth Warren plays the gender card on Bernie Sanders. Will it send her to victory in in Iowa. Welcome I'm Paul Zhigo with the Wall Street Journal with my colleagues Kim Strassel. Hello Kim Hollow Paul. And Kyle Peterson and Kyle. How are you hello? Hello so let's. Let's talk about the impeachment Breakthrough such as it is Nancy Pelosi announcing impeachment managers news on Wednesday who will essentially be the prosecutors in the case in the Senate trial and They will will be responded to by the president's lawyers assuming they get that chance in the Senate we don't know how this the entire contours of the trial will take place yet because there will that will depend on some votes to come but The impeach managers are named the include. Adam Schiff the intelligence chairman who has led The the impeachment in the house. Jerry Nadler the Judiciary Committee whose wanted to impeach Donald trump since probably since so. He was a baby and chairs Zoe lofgren of California another longstanding member and chairwoman who is here for the Who was in the House for the the Clinton Impeachment Hakeem Jeffries member of the leadership of New York and a couple of others? What do you make of that list? Kim Kim my own view I guess is that Hakeem Jeffries is probably the most compelling in terms of being able to present evidence. Yeah what you see from all of these people they. They're largely all members of either the House Intelligence Committee or House Judiciary Committee Except set for one Jason Crowe of Colorado. He's a former army ranger. He sits on the Armed Services Committee in the House. But the point of picking some of these is that because they sat act through all of these hearings that were conducted by Adam. Schiff and Jerry Nadler at judiciary and intelligence they're probably the most familiar with the material A couple of them have backgrounds in law or working in court so probably that expertise. One thing that's interesting balls. There was only seven of them named now now. There were thirteen in the Clinton impeachment. Trial thirteen managers and they. They broke up the burden of opening statements and presenting different different parts of the case. This is a much smaller crew. We still don't know how exactly they intend to divvy up the tasks when they go into dress Senate well I guess one question I I have and it's only partially tongue in cheek. How Come Adam Schiff lead anybody else? joined him in this well and he's He he he he loves the limelight and The cameras and I'm only partially kidding. He couldn't carry the ball the entire way. But I don't know that shift Xifen. The and Nadler are the best look for the Democrats at the stage. I would put other people forward if I could The speaker but I guess this this is in part coalition management. She's gotTa let those senior members Upfront Kyle Yeah. And they I mean shift and now there were the ones who shepherd this through through the house in the first place and so if you're in their shoes you have a pretty strong argument to make to Pelosi that you you deserve. You ought to be the one of the people moving over to the Senate to To push the trial there. Yeah Okay Kim. The the Senate trial will begin with formalities. according to The majority leader and the minority leader statement As early as Thursday with the first appearance of the chief justice in the in the Senate Chamber and then there will be the butt. And they're going to keep them even knew at some reporting on this. Tell them what. Tell us what's going to happen after that. Well a lot of these votes votes which we're GONNA see start likely on Friday And go on to Saturday are going to deal with procedural questions but they'll be important procedural questions in that will outline the contours of this trial. Is You mentioned. So for instance right. Now I'm here in that Mitch. McConnell and tends to give twenty four hours to the prosecution as it were meaning to the House Democrats to present their case twenty four hours to the White House to defend itself. The question would be. How many hours a day is that broken over to that? They're supposed to start around one o'clock every day. Do you keep them there until nine PM. So eight hours a day you now. How long does this go on? There's GonNa be some questions and boats about The opportunities of members to to lodge objections or And whether or not those repaired or bundled does each side get so a lot of the things that are just going to explain to us how this this happens I think Republicans have a big question in terms of the White House to and what the White House would like to see. Come out of this in terms of a fair process for the house over the White House to present fence. Well and on that point Guess the The peach managers will get to go. First then the question becomes whether or or not the Republicans WanNa hear the president's Defenders or will they try to dismiss the charges Just have a vote right after the The house managers make their case chemists at a possibility. Yeah Yeah and not not to dismiss anything I think. Republicans have already decided sided. That is a bad strategy pressure. Yeah I met my language in precise what I mean is that they would have a vote to acquit or convict. Correct right so most likely what's going to happen here. Is that The House Democrats are going to move forward present their side of the case. And then there's a debate going on right now within the Republican caucus about whether or not at that moment when soon as they rest their case that Republicans simply say all right. You've been able to present all of your evidence let's just vote right now out on whether or not it is compelling enough for a conviction Let's not go down the road of even hearing from the White House Let's let at your case Stanford itself. Let's not go down the road of more witnesses and get this done with and we'll see what the mood of the caucuses after three or four days of very long and boring impeachment and I guess Kyle the argument for for for doing that holding a vote then is is to tell the country look The House didn't make its case to convict Vic We don't I mean they've had their chance here. It is And it's an insufficient case to oust a president so we're GONNA vote to acquit right and The countervailing argument would be that If you're in Mitch. McConnell shoes you want to be shown you want to be seen to be giving this a fair hearing And you want to hear both sides of the argument you want to let the process play out. You don't WanNa be Be perceived as cutting it short and there's a little bit of caucus management on his side to Because there are some Moderate members in the Senate like Susan Collins in Maine who has expressed some Some interest in hearing hearing from witnesses. there's a parallel debate going on about whether Republican should call witnesses and what that what that would look like So part of that. Also as as Kim alludes. Let's do may depend on what the temperature is Once the house impeachment managers finish just a little bit of color before we go to the question by witnesses. The the the senators they're going to have to According to the rules of decorum that were sent out to all the senators by the two leaders offices the senators will have to sit in their chairs ears during the proceedings. He will not be able to stand up while they're in the chamber. They will not be able to look at their electronic devices. They will have to actually pay attention They will. They're also not. Can you imagine how what that's going to be like. I mean the withdrawal pains are GonNa be like a You know a an in alcoholics trying to give up the sauce. It's going to be terrible. And then and then they're not supposed to bring any reading material into the Chamber Chamber That is unrelated to the proceedings. So presumably they can bring in transcripts of testimony and anything else but they can't bring in their homework for on their latest legislation or on anything else they need and this can be particularly painful kyle to the members members of the Senate who are running for President United States and that includes now is still amy Klobuchar Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Yeah the timing you for this Michael Bennett I'm sorry I forgot him. The timing of this is really terrible for them because the the Iowa caucus is the beginning of February. Just weeks away And depending on how long this goes on I mean they could be sitting out. Most of these This final stretch here as Joe Biden and Pete Buddha judge Have the run of Iowa. going around shaking shaking hands and kissing every baby in Des Moines And so I mean I don't know that I don't know they've all they've all sort of express that this is their constitutional duty Bernie. Sanders said something like he was talking when he said something like you know frankly between between us. I'd rather be here but I have to be in Washington Washington so I don't know that it'll be enough to move anybody to to to vote to Get this thing over with right away but they will surely probably be thinking that well it could just add to this too by the way another thing is they're offering these these very tight rules about where the press. What presses allowed got in? And it's going to be kept in an oppressed pen on the floor and they have to be escorted in and out as do the senators big new priority on security as well and so. This is a disappointing number especially of those Democrats about who were envisioning this opportunity to dodge out at these proceedings and instantly go in front the cameras and offer their their appraisal. That might be a little bit harder. They're not happy about that. Either versus will be televised. The American public will be able to succeed not just based on C. Span. I assume the cable networks CERTAINLY MSNBC and CNN will also will carry Most of this Along with a with a commentary we we are talking about the impeachment trial in the Senate and we'll get into the Democratic presidential debate as well and you're listening to Potomac Watch from the Wall Street Journal are you a Henry it stands for high earner not rich yet. It means the despite earning."