"How do we love online? What does dating and Love Luke? Blank in an era dominated by swipes likes and matches in many ways online dating has become the new norm and it has changed the ways. Romantic relationships are formed. Welcome to good code. A weekly podcast On ethics in our digital lives. My Name is Jean Lobby and I'm your host. Tinder was created in two thousand twelve when tinder launched in France in two thousand thirteen thirteen journalist. Judy was a reporter for French. Conservative daily looked Gal. She was also a single women in quickly became a tinder user sir. She says she enjoyed the very much. It's design the we'd made her feel but in January two thousand sixteen. She discovered that every ten user observe herself included was assigned a desirability rating. Any infuriated her as a journalist and as a woman that's how she started a two year long investigation into tinder resulting in a book called Love Under Algorithm Lambah's algorithm full disclosure Luger. GD deny go way back. We were interns at Liffey Gallo together when both of us were still BB journalists and we've remained friends since then but friends or not. Her book is definitely worth read. So when I started this podcast I knew I needed to have her on the show at some point. Last summer I sat down with her. You're in Paris. A few months. After her book came out I began by asking her win. Her obsession with tinder secret recipe started. I remember very yeah. Well when it became an obsession for me I was a crime reporter in live together. A Big French newspaper and I was at work one morning running and I was a big board so it was reading several websites and I read an article about when American journalists. That we had dinner with Sean Wizar- Tinder Co founder and used to be here the CEO of the company and they had dinner together and they're in the article. The journalist was explaining that Sean had was showing up because he had desirabilities car that was higher that the average and in the also revealed journalists that every user in on tinder has a secret desire. Ability is very very hard work to several people. desirabilities car is to the APP. gives it to everybody a secret rates in order to make you much with people on the same from the same league as you to put broadly is to put the ugly ones with. Send the Judy who went through the beautiful ones and two. When I read that article it reminded did me about approximately a thousand bad memories at the same time because I feel as a woman like we are constantly evaluated appearance? It reminded me of very bad memories as a teenager. For instance I remember they will like when I was fourteen. There was a guy in my class that gave rates to all of the girls in the classroom and he had decided to give me. I remember very well. This bad person. Five out of ten because he he said I was fat but I was still nice so I should be. I should have like Oh case call but this is just one example of so many times in my life I feel when you enter room in your women even before hearing the sound of your voice are hearing what how you dreams are. Where did you grow up? What is your favorite book like the the way you look the shape of your body the size of your just the size of Djibouti and people decide? What is your value? I looked at my phone and and I thought my phone is currently rating me without me being aware we've heard me ever saying okay to this ever consenting to these ever like agreeing to this it's may be happening right now. I was looking at my phone and I was thinking maybe my phone is right now. Giving me a sexual value and I don't know so I thought I I have two more and this is where it all started. You yourself wear user upgrade able to say I was myself a user of tenure As a journalist just a single woman looking for dates you describe in your book that it was your favorite APP. You like to design you like the swap. You say EH. You felt empowered. Also you you talk about are not narcissistic boost or should the nasty season every time you gotta match so you liked the experience. The experience changed once you discovered that and once you realize that it wasn't just narcissistic boost when I first used tinder. I was amazed because I wasn't very confident. About the way I looked and everything and I received like so many matches and so many messages and I thought all this is so amazing and I felt I was giving like an IV of narcissism like like. Yeah like shows like I was drinking little glasses of narcissism they would kick in and I thought it was amazing but it didn't last solo Longtime I becomes used to it and like the drug. I grew accustomed and I had to go back more on the APP to spend more time on it to try to find initial boosts but I would never quite find again and I think that's the description of addiction like this initial Honeymoon phase didn't last and then I was still going on the APP and my the experience was somehow more and more negative. But I could not help not going so this is when I started to question also. Is it me or is it the APP or is it both. It's it's definitely both like it's starting to be the public that the design of ABS is made to addictive active especially tinder so there is a combination of Design of like gamed. You feel like you're playing a game when you swipe on people when you match with someone when the two people like each other there is a match and it released a Serotonin in your brain the same way when you win a game when you win in new casino stuff like that. This doesn't make everyone addicted. Of course it has a very strong impact on people like me especially who have like somehow for giant safest is team until the combination of my job safe team and is very effective design can be like very toxic"