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"Is really open to the geography what he's really looking for is the ownership to. Make sure that he has every opportunity to achieve this goal to win a world championship to play competitive teams. You know as best as baseball teams to make annual. All those things. So. Obviously, there's a lot of owners who believe their franchises can do that. That was Scott Boras talking about his client Bryce Harper who still has not signed and welcome back. Did he mention the money? I know lots and lots of money. That would be preferred maller. Fred Hubner end for J hood. We are at the first midwest Bank studio here on State Street, all the way till ten o'clock. Lots of baseball talk coming up and one of the things we've been talking about for. I think it's more than one hundred days is basically free agency, and what's not happening. And and things like that. And you look at it. And there are guys that are waiting. There's hundreds of guys out there, not hundreds. But at least one hundred free agents out there waiting go and sign and some people said, you know, it's getting close to training camp. When people start sending minor league deals, and you saw at Davidson signed a minor league deal with the Texas Rangers. Rangers have signed if you guys to minor league deals, I think Lance Lynn signed a minor league deal with them. Mark Reynolds yet with the Rockies. Yeah. See you have guys that are signing. A minor league deals, and that's happening. We were talking upstairs before the show Adam Jones thirty three years old but still outfielder he had a kind of a down year last year. But you think somebody's gonna give Adam Jones a contract to play outfield. I mean, I thought about it for the White Sox. Because even if they do get Manny Machado, it's they still need another outfielder. But maybe they don't want to clog the outfield. So the Daniel cooking get his at bats. And things like that. I don't know. And you know, you'll be up twelve to fifteen days into the season. Probably. And that's where that's gonna work. Yeah. Adam Adam Jones been you know, look, he's centerfield in name only. He's certainly more of a corner outfielder now these days, and I don't know how good he is defensively at that rate either. He's been in the decline stitches, look, we've hit the point now where I think it all across baseball. Once a player gets passed the age of thirty. It's it's not even that teams are thinking for themselves. He can't be productive player. But I think the thought process is what's the upside? He might be okay. At this age. I put all the stats and analytics stay in all likelihood that he's probably going to at least progress a little bit from what he did the previous season and on top of that. Why don't I just go find a younger player who has upside and for for for a cheaper cost? Yeah. That's ultimately what I think every teams looking around doing. Yeah. So we'll wait and see if if in fact, Adam Jones signs anywhere, but one of the things in the last, you know, we've been talking about it and all of baseball has been talking about watching each and every morning hot stove, which is you know, not have many signings. You know, they've got a they basically have a slot machine that they pull the free agent slot machines. The guy's head pops up there. And then he talked about what team would be best suited for him. And they're busy doing that. Because nobody's signing anywhere. Yes. Saturday here. I was with Chris black and atom of dollar. We were talking baseball in this whole situation. And we had Michael Bob from the ringer talking about baseball. And he talked a little bit about not only why free agents hard signing. But why Harper and Machado are still out there and unsigned and he had an interesting spin. Let's give it a listen here on ESPN one thousand the reason that this is happening is teams has sort of collectively realized that signing players deals that take a lotta time. They're thirty is not the most efficient financial thing to do. The players have generally matronly value between agents like twenty two twenty three and twenty nine. And so, but the way the system is setup where teams get control over players for their search for a certain number of years in the minor leagues makes him to lay calling them up until the very last moment. And then essentially keep them in their preoccupation or arbitration years up until the point where they're about to fall off a cliff and then say, oh, we're not. Assign these guys free agents and this persisted because one the union is run by veterans who wanted to excuse much of the players portion of the pie as possible towards older players as opposed to working preoccupation players are especially minor leaguers amateurs, and the other reason is teams didn't notice this until probably about ten years ago and the economic system in sort of slowly been backfiring towards away from signing veteran free agent since then so the solution is to cook the players within themselves to shift more of that the big money, you know, the hundred billion dollar contracts or whatever cohorts fires in their twenty seven getting, you know, moving free agency up from six or you know, with service time like what we saw with Kris Bryant a few years ago teams essentially stretch it after seven years. Putting more money into signing bonuses eliminating the changing the rules to eliminate the the incentive for teams to hold minor leaguers down past when they're ready like we saw with Bryant like we're seeing now with junior like we saw last year with frontal, the kunia a problem with that is that that's going to cost teams money. And so it's like they can just not pay players. Now, there's no incentive for them to roll that money back. They don't care about the product owners down, you know, increasingly owner shown care about winning. They just care about making as much money as possible and fixing the free agent problem as it as it stands right now. You know, that's not compatible with them maximizing their profits in the short comedian turn. Now, he's at a lot there. But the one thing when you own anything your goal is on something. So that you can make money. So I understand owners not wanting to give back the money that they that they make. It was it would be hard to for me to believe. Maybe I'm short-sighted, but it would be hard for me to believe a lot of voters out there. Don't wanna make money and also win. I mean, I think if making money is on high on their list winning should be somewhere really really close to it from what he sounded. Like it. He doesn't think that's the case. Look from what eight it's interesting too because it's easier to do one that it is the other as much easier at there's there's thirty teams in baseball. A lot of them can make money only one can win true. Yeah. When all said and done there's only one World Series champion at the end of the year, and you know, most fan bases while you know, the trajectory upward trajectory can be a fun ride. You can only do that for a year or two before you really get hungry for the World Series championship. And I'm with you like that. If you don't reach that goal, then everything else, look, this is kind of the White Sox are experiencing right now. They're in the honeymoon period. Yes. Like the fan base because they you know, a year ago the farm system was touted as one of the top two amongst every publication in baseball. Now they've fallen off a bit since last year. But you know, that comes with the graduation of some prospects over it it is a little bit. But anyway. In that honeymoon period right now. The problem is that I think Michael hit on it. They're in that for the longest time the players who are in the union, the guys with the loudest voice is it makes sense are the veterans and the veterans are always looking out for themselves because by nature. Most of the time. They're only going to have a very few years left to cash in and whatever CBA they're negotiating at that point. So they want sure to maximize the dollars for the veterans. But the reality is now what you're seeing is for the longest time salaries were escalating because let's not also dismissed the fact that the role PD's played. Yes, when you had players like Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez were prolonging their peaks into their late thirties and even forties. All of a sudden, you know, those astronomical tenure deals made sense at the time right to go ahead and give those. But once you take the PD's out of the game and Bauman talks about the twenty two to twenty nine year old age peak for player. Well, now now when all the veterans are actually up in the previous CBS that was agreed upon shows them that oh the rules have changed and the veterans aren't getting paid any longer. And by the way, now that you're a veteran. You also missed the opportunity to make any real money when you were under your your your service agreement the previous regime agreed to a contract that made it impossible for you to get paid. You have a real problem as a union and you have guys like Justin Verlander who are chirping on Twitter. And I understand they're using the power of social media. The the one tool they actually have. But the it's it's not a sharp tool. The truth is that they can say all they want. Players don't generally endear themselves to to fans because fans look at them as multimillion dollar athletes who are playing a game and getting paid for it. And so nobody feels too sorry for players not getting paid. But I do understand you can only live the life you're living. And so those players are upset that they're not getting their fair share of the pie one of the things that when we look at this whole thing, we should look at it. Twenty two to twenty nine four position players. Yeah. Because pitchers a lotta pitchers. Don't get good 'til they're twenty seven or twenty eight day. It takes them a while to figure out the league it takes them wild establish themselves. Chris sales twenty nine okay. Berliners thirty five, but you look at some of the great pitchers in baseball. And they're up there. They're more twenty eight twenty nine thirty thirty one as opposed to twenty two twenty three twenty four twenty five. They don't have much to do. They stroll to the mound and throw the ball pitching starting pitching. It's a it's a fine arts. There's you know, you can like you said the the peak age for a pitcher, even though if you if you understand how to pitch you can be even better when you're younger when you still when you still have the velocity you can prolong that aging care as a pitcher. But the the problem here for what like what I think needs to happen. Is that in the next CBA when it comes up the union needs to look harshly at the service time rules, and I I mentioned this to you earlier. Yeah. I truly believe what they're they're sticking point. What they have to fight for is they need to say service time needs to begin in the minor leagues day one. Now, the owners are not gonna agreed to this immediately. But what you can the plan you lay out his you say, look, we're sick of the service time manipulation for players like him in Kris Bryant, Vladimir Guerrero junior. The best of the best who you are. No should be up in the majors. But you're playing coy and pretending that the service time issue is not keeping us down an extra year or an extra ten days to prolong an extra year of service that needs to end for the that's like the first starting point. And so I think they need to say. All right. Our service time needs to begin day one in the minor leagues. And therefore. Once you know, we can contribute at the major league level. The loose up will be no incentive for you to keep the best players in the minor leagues. Because you're gonna want them working on their service time in your major league field as soon as possible. I think that's where you start and there'll be some give and take no doubt. But at least you can find something to anchor them to work off of that. Yeah. I mean, that's the starting point 'cause the younger players do need to get paid. And I don't know how they're going to do it the way the the way the system is currently structured we come back. We'll try to hear from Jeff passan. He was our Waddle and Silvy talking about Harper Machado and about the White Sox bid what he thinks it's and opener talking's baseball here on ESPN one thousand. Hey, guys cheer co here.."