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"Detrimental. Masculinity is. So I started thinking about. That in specifically gay male context, and it was really neat to that that started helping me kind of sink about in articulate a lot of the socially regressive. Things I was witnessing or experiencing in terms of gay male communities and thinking about how that harms not only gay or queer man ourselves, but how that also contributes to our larger culture of patriarchy sexism sexual violence. So you mentioned something about being socially regressive. And I just wanna pull on that term just for perhaps the audience might be wondering what that means certainly it's a larger term, but let's just frame this within this conversation having her today. Sure. So. Aspects of masculinity that are creating social harm or negatively impacting society. So we're talking about things like aggression violence domination aspects of masculinity that are creating harm to men and others end denying essentially, everyone access to our full humanity. So what I'm saying here is not that masculinity and men are inherently bad, but masculinity as a cultural practice is something that men are taught to be and do there's aspects of that teaching that creates social harm when they're. Enacted. The way you phrased it masculinity as a cultural practice is really important because that at takes us into this idea of what is considered acceptable within the status quo that different cultures are going to dictate or influence the way in which men act, so we can certainly have a a more general kind of masculinity within North America that will be different in parts of Canada, different parts of the US different in south of the border in Mexico. And then you're going to have different types of masculinity in in cultures in Europe in in cultures. Elsewhere that may be have different social influences like religion or things like that. Perhaps some thoughts on that before we move forward. Well, that's significant to point now because it shows us that masculinity as currently. Lii defined or as we currently see is not something that is natural or inherent to men. It's essentially a set of scraps that men depending on their particular cultural contacts are handed at birth and are expected to act or perform in order to be considered quote on quote real man because it's a set of cultural scripts in expectations that is not emerging out of nowhere emerging specific contacts. It means those norms in the scripts can be changed and ideally change for the better changed in a progressive direction that perfect that leads to one of the questions I had prepared for myself of which is why would somebody want to under? Banned these ideas, and my take on this is really the the meat of this discussion is that these scripts can be changed. They're not static. What would you add to that? And that they harm us personally, and they harm us on a broader social level, and they harm people of all genders. So if we have definitions ideas, visions of gender that are more liberating that means that everyone can have a more livable life because we can act and be in a way, that's truly authentic to us without that being policed. We see. So many people trying to police gender, and that's actually something we're going to get into in one of your articles. Maybe wanna transition now to? Explain a little bit about what we're going to be talking about under the heading of deconstructing the game L body image. So you've written over the last almost a year. Yeah. Three articles that sort of built upon each other one is we need to talk about toxic gay masculinity, and then icons objectification and LGBTQ activism. And then finally why is there not why is there no gay men's body liberation movement that appeared on think quickly now in the show notes, I will have links to all these articles. So that people listening can read them. But maybe let's talk about toxic gay masculinity perhaps start with framing you've done a little bit already. Let's jump into this and say, okay. Here's what the masculinity is. Here's when it becomes toxic. And so I I should also say that the direct inspiration for that. That piece was looking at how the me too movement was being discussed in the mainstream media. And there was this heterosexual assumption in in terms of the way that masculinity or toxic masculinity. Was being framed. And"