Mental trauma may be greatest challenge for boys rescued from cave

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That was the first audio and video the world was able to hear of the youth soccer team trapped in a cave in northern thailand many people this is the takeaway i'm tansy nevada and today a story that has the world watching this weekend dramatic and intense rescue operations began in thailand's chiang rai province to free a group of twelve boys and their soccer coach who've been trapped in a cave for more than two weeks so far eight children have been rescued four remain along with their coach the team was exploring the cave when monsoon rains flooded in and it was nine days before their exact location was pinpointed on friday a thai rescue diver died when he ran out of air while underwater petty officer soman gounon had delivered oxygen to those trapped in the cave but on his way back through the long and complex cave tunnels he ran out of oxygen for himself and lost consciousness to get a sense of how these rescue operations happen and what makes them so tricky we turn to greg moore who's the northeastern regional coordinator for the national cave rescue commission greg thanks for joining us thank you for having me here now i've seen you know there's been lots of talk about what it takes to do this and i want to get into the specifics of how this rescue is happening but i also want wonder if you could help our listeners understand what exactly the depth of the of this cave is i'm hearing it takes two or three hours to bring a child out yeah i don't know the exact numbers i've seen two kilometers which i know most listeners probably thinking oh that's not too far of a walk i could do that pretty quickly but what people do have to understand is first of all even in the dry passages they can be tight narrow which means possibly crawling or moving in a not easy walking fashion and then of course in this particular cave they have the huge complication of waterfield passages which for an experienced cave diver definitely can take some time in now when you're taking boys who literally this will be the first dive of their lives they're taking the time moving very slowly because they don't want to make any mistakes so let's explain the process the mechanics of getting these children out of the cave and of course the coaches well what exactly are the cavers doing when you confront a situation like this what do you do what is the first step to actually rescuing people out well and i'm gonna talk mostly my experience which is all dry caving but the hardest part in some cases they've done here which lily was finding the boys is you may recall for nearly two weeks there was a question of where they were gonna they could even find him so when we do not oftentimes we start out with a search party once we find him the next step is generally a medical evaluation and then after that you go into a period of planning a lot of people i know and i'm as a parent i'd be one of them wanting children out as quickly as possible they want to see their loved ones i can't blame them but in a situation like this do wanna take your time because you wanna plan for every possibility the other huge factor here and one that i don't think can be overemphasized is the psychological considerations for example if the boys have a leader of the team with something like that having ligo i may be a real benefit for them because you can say hey they do it i can do it or conversely you may want the leader stay behind in order to boost the morale and cheer up the voice for maybe a little more scared a little more worried about the extraction you mentioned psychology and as i'm listening to the story i'm having panic about the claustrophobia what do you do about the claustrophobia what if there is someone who is absolutely in a panic who cannot handle the trip out sure i will say in it surprises some people that know i'm a caver i've been in a couple of tight passages myself where all sudden you know you get that tightness of chest or whatever and i know the.

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