Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglass and Their Battle to Save America's Soul With Brian Kilmeade


I'm talking to Brian kilmeade, author of the president and the freedom fighter, and you just shared something that I really was I never thought about this. So when Lincoln is elected in 1860, a number of states had seceded. First South Carolina 6 more. Okay, and so that's before his inauguration. Before he gets to The White House. Okay, so he's elected. They secede. And then on the assumption he's going to free the slaves and they're not going to deal with it. And he says to get them back into the union, he says you can have your slaves. Thirteenth Amendment could be yours. Okay, so that's the freed slaves. You could be enslaved. And so exactly how did that go? So obviously you said that Frederick Douglass feels betrayed. So it took him some time. I mean, it's kind of funny because you get this with Lincoln. He takes off everybody and at some point, right? And a real conservative today would say suspending habeas corpus. I don't know. You know, it's like it's very interesting that real leadership will do that. It will take off everybody in a way. But so for a while, it seems to me that Frederick Douglass must have not been very pleased with him. Absolutely not. And then when he brings up colonization to solve the problem of the African Americans in America, he say, listen, we made a big mistake. It happened before we were born. So can we send you back? So he invites newspapers, all the press with him, like selective members of the press. And he brings in African American leaders, doesn't invite Douglas. And he says, made a big mistake. Obviously, blacks and whites can't live together, and it's part of this part of the reason this is the reason for the war. So I would like to make you an offer give you plenty of money to go back to Central and South America or wherever you want to go. Douglas, everyone in South America or Africa. Africa, too. He said you could go wherever you wanted to go. We will send you. So we will free you and let you go. Absolutely out of the country. Out of the country. And this bothered Douglas. Beyond by these, I'm an American. I don't want to go anywhere. Where am I born? I'm born here. You got to send me elsewhere. Since when camp blacks and whites get together, remember, and I haven't brought this up yet, but they have another similarity. They both read this book called the Colombian orator. The Columbian order teaches how to speak publicly, teach how to hold yourself and also has great essays from these people like Cicero, Socrates, George Washington, people in our past, and they're thinking big and grandiose. So you wonder why that speech worked at 28? Lincoln's been reading every day since 7. That's right and envisioning himself on that level without the cockiness and ego with the humility to know that it may be what he was capable

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