Jennifer Johnson, Executive And Labor Party discussed on FiveThirtyEight Politics


The core of those who want to stop brexit or this is this is a difficult question as to whether to determine the people want to stop brexit which i think is largely what they are other than the people who want to stop no deal which is the way that they would like to present themselves as being sorry they made a move the day before the program of you've parliament sort of trying to suggest that they that they that they were going to act as a people's parliament. I think the phrase was the phrase that was used to ensure that no deal it didn't happen but they have some choices to make now. The choice is i think really between whether they want to proceed with a vote of no confidence that could lead to the formation of an alternative government if it were successful or whether they want to take the opportunity which will be there in in early september timber when there will be a short period when parliament returns to try to legislate something similar to what was done in march what's called the cooper letwin bill which is actively instructed the executive to request an extension from the e u twenty seven to article fifty fifty and gave us the phrase opposition party. I think and that's the big issue here. Which is who do we mean when we're talking about the opposition parties. We're talking about the formal opposition the labor party. That's one thing the labor party is split but also the labor party's priority throughout under jeremy corbin's leadership has been to force general election that they hope they might win and then there's what sometimes called the rebel alliance which is the collection of people who in different ways for different reasons want to prevent boris johnson from pursuing he stated policy of leaving on the thirty first of october and that rebel alliance includes the person you mentioned in your introduction. The speaker comments john berko who called a conservatives. I think most conservatives would be spluttering over their conflicts of that description. They didn't think of him as a conservative at all anymore really and there's a group of people yeah i mean he not. Oh then easy ostensibly neutral. I mean he was a conservative as the speaker but he is doing everything in his power. Now <hes> it's quite clear to oppose the policy of the conservative the government so there's a whole group of people who potentially can come together around brexit including the labor leadership but they are themselves very divided so there's like like the british version of a never-trumper yeah. I mean it's they never johnson is because johnson seems to provoke some pretty outraged reactions are they never brexit tears or are. They never know a dealer. I think what they are is never know dealers and on that basis they can agree on quite a lot unfortunately what they can't agree on is either strategy or tactics tactics they can agree on principles and by shortening the time that they have available to do this johnson has made it will coming so should say has made it much harder for them but but not impossible in there is there is the brief period before pearl gatien which is next week when parliament can make some decisions and then there is the brief period after prorogation nation before the thirty first before the crucial european summit when parliament could also make some decisions. The one thing that has fundamentally changed since theresa may's time when theresa may was prime minister and parliament passed legislation requiring that she asked for an extension she could do that. Johnson couldn't do that so an extension. Jennifer johnson is death. He congo be on the thirty first of october and survive. Were he somehow to be forced by this parliament to ask for an extension. It would be effectively at the end of his prime ministership so that's why the stakes are so high and the thing that the johnson administration wants to prevent is parliament having the opportunity to pass the legislation flation requiring an extension and not timeframe is now very very tight. It's not impossible but very very tight. It should say i think it could be added though that he could be forced. Just the e you could say no in principle and even if it said yes could attach such conditions to it that johnson would say no to and i think that is a certain weakness nisa in the <hes> stop no deal position because there isn't any way that they can mandate johnson to accept any conditions whatsoever that the twenty-seven attach to the extension or an extension. I should say i mean one reason that this is a political crisis at touches on a constitutional crisis is there is some quite at least talk about this government refusing to do what parliament mandates so for instance one or two people have said were this government to lose as a vote of no confidence it would refuse to quit parliament could pass legislation requiring of this government x. files ed and the executive might say say no but there might be conditions under which the executive would say no and that does take us into uncharted territory. I mean that then we are well beyond the fights that took place in the may administration the station then we are in a straightforward contest between executive power and legislative authority and in the british context. I think much more so than in the american case. We don't know what happens because we don't have those fights right. What traditionally happened was when the executive loses the confidence of the legislature. It falls so what happens happens when a legislature votes executive out and the executive refuses to fall. I don't think they would do that. You don't know anymore. I think one of the things that's really <hes> <hes> interesting. At least in manama political point of view is that we have a constitution in which president and judging in relation to experience supposed to be a central but we then made a constitutional change even though it wasn't presented like that at the time which was the fixed term parliament acta wasn't these presented the very acute terms in which actually has had consequences that has meant that all precedents in regard to the relationship between the executive and the legislature in regard to confidence votes is out the window so actually we are already in new constitutional waters because of this piece of legislation that was passed during the two thousand thousand ten to two thousand and fifteen parliament from an american perspective not having a written constitution as is the case in

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