Annie Murphy Paul, Oprah Magazine, The New York Times Magazine discussed on The Psychology Podcast with Scott Barry Kaufman


Today it's great to have Annie Murphy Paul in the podcast, and he writes about how the findings of cognitive science and psychology can help us to think and act more intelligently. Any contribute to The New York Times Magazine, The New York Times book review, slate, and O The Oprah magazine, among many other publications. She's also the author of a number of books, including the cold of personality origins, and most recently the extended mind the power of thinking outside the brain. And he thanks for coming on the psychology podcast again after being our very first guest ever. Thank you so much, Scott. I'm so happy to be back. You know, 7 years later. 7 years. Wow. And look at all the people you've talked to in those 7 years. It's amazing. I was going to say look how many books you've done since then? I have not been as prolific as you, that is for sure. Oh, come on now. I love your work as you know. I'm a big fan. And this latest book is no exception. You know, in this new book, you invite the reader to quote, think outside the brain. Can you tell our listeners a little bit what that means to you to think outside the brain? Sure, yes. Well, I borrowed the idea of the extended mind from two philosophers Andy Clark and David Chalmers. And their idea, which I think I hopefully expanded upon and elaborated on is that we don't just think with our brains, we think with the world around us. And in my book, I explore in the sort of more minute detail what that means, we think with our bodies, you know, our bodies below the neck out because of course the brain is part of the body. But we think with the rest of our bodies, we think with the spaces in which we learn and work and we think with the minds of other people. And to conceive of thinking in this way, it's a departure from how we're used to thinking about thinking, which is, you know, everything goes on inside the head and all of our efforts that cultivating intelligence and effective thinking seem to be directed at improving how the brain functions. And I wanted to nudge people to think about, well, what are those other resources that we pull into our thinking processes and how can we do that more skillfully? Yeah, you make the case that we pay too little attention to the body and discussions about intelligence..

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