Officer, John Douglas, Memphis discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
But just before the bottom of the hour. We were talking with John Douglas about serial killer police officers in that motif gets used all the time doesn't it about, you know, mostly in works of fiction about you. And I were not so different. You know, the killer tells the cop and the cop feels wonder one way or another about it. And but that that duality I think the idea of the, you know, cops and robbers that they're much more connected than they have more in common than they don't where are you with that? You were just talking about a case of a police officer who had committed serious crimes using the the cover of the badge. Yeah. We we. We didn't have a whole lot of those cases. I had a case out of San Diego where a a police officer who would teach rape prevention ended up being a a rapist, and we're able to Lincoln forensically through a badge the fibers from. The basil badge. We're on the victims that we got into the interrogation and were able to get a confession out of him. A big one that we did part of our thirty six serial killers. In the initial study got him Gerald Shafer in Florida ballots from department to department small departments, and and they would get rid of him. But they would give him a good recommendation. Just so they can get get rid of him ended up getting caught. He he picked up two girls hitchhiking in his police vehicle took him to a motel and later on it came back the next day to take them up in his personal car on his personal car. He had a trailer hitch and his thing would be sexual hanging. So he took these girls out into no, no area. Oh, gosh. Hi, them up to one of the girls got away got away. And then the rest was made. But then the search search was done of residents. We had diaries where he wrote about some freebies crimes at the police. Never really tied anything to him. They found some Keith the longing to victims as well in the search warrant, so he was good. He was convicted them onto they Lincoln like about thirty thirty homicides, and he was killed in nineteen ninety five and other inmate stabbing death in prison down in Florida. So when you hear that would you hear something like that does that bring you some sense of relief for or Justice, or how do you how do you process that? Yeah. I I've I have when it comes to the desk valley, I've changed a little bit a little bit here. I was on a panel two weeks ago, New York with Amanda Knox. I helped them in the next get out of prison in an Italy. And also heard of the case the west Memphis three. Oh, yeah. Totally. Yeah. I felt like very close. And so I helped they me Damien Echols was on the path. And Joe Berlinger was on the panel with mixed. I helped him get out of prison with Peter Jackson director Lord of the rings. Brought me in at the time. Everything was secret along with this group of forensic. You know, you know, experts. So you see cases like that. And now that I'm out of the bureau. I I couldn't do these kind of cases in the bureau, but now out of euro, I've been helping on cases where I I see false. Confessions have been that given by innocent people wrongful wrongful convictions like in the west Memphis three like Amanda Knox with where they bring in a tag team the case, Amanda Knox. They brought in ten police officers. Detectives who are gonna interrogator attack team over forty hours to break down and always say an innocent person is easy to ensure agape than than the criminal himself or herself because the innocent person when they're curated this by some say corrupt the investigator. They think that the person being targeted well. This will be over here. The truth will come out. I get my attorney they'll know that. And but meanwhile, you can fast or you've you've signed a confession and problem too. Is that it should be required everywhere, including FBI FBI doesn't use. This is is the tape tape the interrogation tape, the interviews. And I mean from the beginning to the end not turning the tape recorder on after you got the confession because even or a scrupulous copy of facts of the case. Now, you regurgitating back. So all the jurors will hear is. Oh, yeah. Just personally he knew everything about the case so him so. I changed. But when I see these predatory types I and there's all kinds of evidence that we have all. Not just I witnessed testimony or some jailhouse snitch or something like that. That. I I I worry at and I get a lot of calls from people are saying in 'cause my attitude when I when people say, oh, yeah. That prisons are fully innocent people kinda sarcastically. But there we have a case in Virginia here Norfolk four four four navy then independently confess to a crime that nothing to do with. And they got a confession. But then his DNA didn't match. But then they got him to give another navy, man. Name cough up a name. They did an interrogation the DNA to match this do four they got four. And they guys went to prison for years, and they finally got out not too many years ago. Joseph in Boston has a follow up question about police officers. Don't know why Joseph you're talking with John Douglas on coast to coast AM. And I wanna say hi to my friends shade, tree, computer. Yes. A vine person we have a police officer a lot of them. And can you give your contact info out of the end? 'cause I don't I'm not too good on the engine case people need we have a lot of people in prison that are innocent. What does one do when one is going to be questioned because I know police officer. I don't know personally. I saw the video that killed a guy that was in a fire and he went rammed. And Ray he wasn't response. He blood all over this. And he was doing this in the witness said he did nothing, and there were other police officers Ozark taste the guy on the ground nineteen times at twenty handle it, and if we ever get arrested, what should we do especially for innocent? And. Okay questions. Go ahead talk. You don't talk you. I don't care if it's your pulled over for traffic stop. I would tell my own children as you go. And and say, I want to have an attorney attorney, you know, represent right away. That may cause I'm not say there is a small percentage and every look at the FBI as well. We have we have Senate we'll have David hazard Robert hand says name. New information you have to you know to Russia via. I mean, you should not be taken to a room interrogated. You should require requests you wanna speak to your to your attorney as soon as as soon as. You think? Innocent. This will come out. But, but you know, you can manipulate the the nippy late someone even the confessed to be browbeaten. And a lot of innocent people won't request in an attorney. They don't because they think I'll explain it to them. And but the tactics that use I mean, you can be vulnerable. I mean, I've seen so many cases, and or people even like a man that I stayed with her just so people think she's guilty. There was no forensic evidence. Lincoln case, it was one guy day is Francis. Prince thing prince a fecal matter in the toilet. It's him. It's not a MandA. It's not Rafeal. Switch it. Oh, the boyfriend nothing. Nothing the west Memphis three they they interrogate a kid with seventy two I q you could've told them. There was cheese on the moon any would've agreed with you. And they broke them. You know, broke the this kid down. He had nothing nothing to do. None of them out anything to do with the crime. But they spent eighteen years in prison Damian spent ten on death row when they were finally freed. And unfortunately, the I spoke to the that the district attorney says what do they want what they want? They want to be exonerated. And he says, well, I don't know. I don't know about that. What do you need know? Well, I don't know. And I turned out why you didn't know about exonerated him because he was running for political office, and he votes looking for, you know, this is so we're talking with John Douglas. You'll have a few more minutes and then. Then we'll get to open lines. But I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you at the very end of follow up question from this. But first, let's get to sue in Atlanta on a wildcard line on coast to coast AM for John Douglas, sue. Thanks.