John Anderson, Jordan Peterson, Europe discussed on John Anderson: Conversations


You're listening to conversations with John Anderson, featuring Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin. Ladies and gentlemen. Please. Welcome John Anderson. We'll do it in and dive. Thank you so much for giving us your time. John Anderson dot net is basically dedicated to something that is very very dear to me as someone who is very wide about our country, and where we're going, and it's that you can it cannot get good public policy without a good public debate. And it seems that we have to bytes anymore. We just have abusive emotional mudslinging. So that's the sort of the background theme. But then we come to this incredible opportunity to die to engage with these two gentlemen. And I want to to get the ball rolling by talking about a number of issues firstly, personal responsibility. Then I'd like to move onto freedom. What is it because it's not licensed? It's not what many people think it is today. And how do we make it with our then want to talk about courage because we're going to need a lot of gang food, and you're gonna hear a lot or see demonstrated some real courage. I think he and what we're going to talk about and what you're going to hear what you're going to witness then a bit about social media and how we make it all work. And then it's over to you. We live in an ideal. When. It seems that. There's a crisis of trust in our culture. It seems that we are very uncertain of our institutions and the people who Mike them up and what they motivations might be. And indeed the research backs that up the strategy National University has been tracking strategies confidence in the politicians and the political process now for many decades, we are in Untited waters record numbers of strandings. No longer have confidence in the system record numbers of a strategy. Now, distrust, the political process and the players in it. Just more recently. We've had the lightest of a series of Royal commissions of inquiry into various institutions this times banking and the financial services, and we learned that we couldn't trust bankers. Now, there are many, trustworthy, bankers in cases or any here. But plainly people were deeply concerned by what emerged and you stop. And think about this. When people are in relationships of trust harmony and progress can be my when it breaks down. How many and progress are impaired and people flee for safety. If you don't feel safe with someone else you'll look for the rule book and you'll look for policing and you'll look for protection. So it's a good thing. We've had the Royal commission of inquiry. So we know what's been going on. It's a good thing. We've got the rich seventy eight recommendations new laws everywhere you surveillance new policing. But it's a tragedy that it was necessary in the first place people have not been doing what they've should have been doing without coercion. So now, we got a great big battles to how to resolve these things you say the law by surprise. But Jordan, you've said something quite different in the midst of all of us, what you've said is that the redemption of the world is not political. It happens at the level of the individual. That's what we hear on the million every not there's a new scandal. It's we need more rules. We need more policing. We need most violence. We need a different path in path. You're not saying that you'll sign it comes back to the individual. The first question is do you want that? Do do you want a more a state with more regulatory power? Do you want to state with more surveillance? I mean, first of all why would you think that that would be, trustworthy when all the evidence suggests in the past that as a state expanded surveillance power actually becomes less, trustworthy, rather than more? And why would you want you might think? Well, I certainly want someone looking into Europe fares. What I don't want anybody looking into mine. Well, good luck with that. Because you know to the degree that I have someone elect someone to look into Europe. There's there buddy well going to be looking into mind as well. And that just doesn't strike me as particularly positive development practically because I don't believe it will work. I don't think surveillance states do make people more honest. I think all the evidence is the opposite. And then I would say from the individual perspective. It's like I believe that the

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