NSA, United States, Department Of Defense discussed on Risky Business

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To which organization opera operation should belong. Good question. And I think you know, there's probably a fair number of your listeners that don't understand some of those distinctions. So we are were in always will be what's known as a combat support agency. And and that means were an element of the department of defense. And we exist to make sure that the war fighters have the information they need as they're looking to defend the US or go into battle. And so the foreign intelligence mission of NSA is one of the KEA neighbors. Right. That is that is central to one of the activities and say does is for an intelligence cyber command. And and interestingly enough that foreign intelligence if you get down into the authorizations that allow NSA to do that. It's it's an area known as as title fifty. Which is a civilian intelligence authorization the military operates and performs operations under title ten. And in fact, NSA has no authority to do offensive cyber operations. So we have the technical capability we will often support, but sensei Bor command has stood up. We do that in support of cyber command. We will do that at other times in support of other US government agencies that have thirties execute operate. But we don't have any authority ourselves outside generating foreign intelligence. Sorry, it's purely a collection role now and all offensive operations. The command all offensive operations, our cyber command or another US government agencies to lead, but we can integrate people onto their teams under there. Authorities. Okay. So you can deliver the work, but you can't initiate it. Correct. In one I think you'll see, you know, the the expertise you needed to do cyber operations resided in an essay. And and when I say resided at an assay that still meant there could be a lot of military people. We have a fair uniform population within NSA, I'm it could've been military people who are gaining those skills and building those capabilities, but I think what what the department of defense recognize was the world was changing the amount of conflict kind of below the level of war. That was coming at us. The amount of threats to our ability to be able to rate weapon systems our ability to safeguard or information and even operate the platforms like planes and ships and tanks that now are mobile computers ability to keep them safe an operational. We head to head. Have more people in the military capable of performing the the cyber operations necessary to do the DOD's mission. And yeah, some of those things are very defensive a significant amount of cyber commands resources are defensive cyber activities running our networks and securing our networks. Well, I mean, I'm on you, describe what you described is pretty clear separation of the balls of of anti and cyber command in very very simply explained, and yet, you know, general Neka sunny, of course, west who hats runs both NSA, and and saw the command and has said has been on record saying that, you know, splitting those roles is actually going to be quite quite difficult at least in the in the sort of short to medium-term sorry. How do you then go about actually separating these things out? I mean because it seems like we've got two different parallel bureaucracies operating out of the same building. How do you go about actually turning them into more distinct organizations without kind of ruining the cooperation between the two the two bodies? You made a good point that, you know, general Naksone dual headed, and if you look at the way the structures of the two organizations are he is literally the only person that that lives on both sides of that fence what we're going to have is we're gonna have NSA insider command supporting interoperation and and collaborating for the for the infinite future. Right. I don't think you can have a military organization operating inside or space. That's not going to have to engage with an essay be supported by NSA because that's our role. Right. Combat support agency and even informed by NSA. So cyber command has some civilians, but predominantly most of their or forces is uniformed a fair amount of them are enlisted military that are going to rotate up out. It's a benefit to the to NSA because we're seeing talent AMAN. We're also seeing a good amount of that talent go into industry where they where they're going to be able to bring that knowledge out into defending the nation at the corporate low..

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