Listen: Martin Scorsese, Paul Hackett, Marty discussed on Full Cast And Crew
"One ever existed. He would be himself and he would say and we're joined today by. Chris and Chris is the leader of the National Youth Employment Association Association. So Chris you believe that children at the age of five or six should be allowed to work and then the voice of a character and he was so skilled at this he could even somehow talk over himself. Well and then what would happen is he would open the phone lines and people would call up outraged and he would beat them in the voice of this character that he created. I remember allying and listening all of a sudden Joe Frank Tone and just the way he writes and this specificity of his weird details I wondered if maybe Joe Minion unlike. Just listen to it on the Radio Somehow Osmo it into himself. But it's way too specific but I never knew that whole story until digging into the movie this time. Either I really appreciated the craft and Scorsese's part in it. It's one of the best commentary tracks. Because they intercut the reminiscences of Scorsese film maker his lifelong editor of the cinematographer and of Griffin Dunne and his producing partner. Amy Robinson now living in this digital age when everybody's hyphen. That's exactly exactly what they were doing. Amy Robinson Griffin Don. We're both actors who are not working as much as they would have liked like pretty much every actor so they were getting their toes. There's the old joke joke. What's the way to get actor complaint? Give them a job but the two of them dip their toes into producing and I think this might have been there. I fully produced feature they produced. Baby it's you which also starred Roseanne Arquett okay young and both had some credits. They came across the script and both really liked it. In fact fact came across it at Sundance option did and went to get it made and they wanted Scorsese I think from the beginning but then tell that story going back to the Sundance moment show. Much much of great stuff comes from completely random moments that have nothing to do with any genius or brilliant. She was at Sundance three. One of the first I couples dance. There was a director from some tiny country. who heard she was from New York City and he handed her this screenplay she went back to her hot not a hotel they were literally standing Lo and behold my God it was great and that was lies but Joseph Minion the person might have been in Yugoslavian director named Dussan Matveyev. That's exactly who it was. And he was Joseph Minions Teacher at Columbia so that was the connection so then and they optioned it and that leads to Marty and where he was which is really fascinating. Mardi was down. He was interested but last temptation of Christ was going to go for which is his dream project project and act. It was more than looking like it was going forward. It had been in pre production. He had the money is was finally going to happen and he was going to work on it with Michael Ball House House. who was the cinematographer? So they went to Tim Burton because they had seen a short cartoon called Vincent which they were very impressed with the great. I'd actually actually seen it at attached to some. Ah Disney movie that I happen to go see a short called Vincent by a cartoon is named Tim Burton and we said that guy would be really good to do after hours so we sent it to to timber and he said wow this is this is incredible but somewhere about maybe a month and a half two months. What's into after the time we met him We get a phone call saying the last temptation of Christ had fallen apart. And we said well Rupert BR actually talking to kind of start. Well all right. We'll figure it out. We'll just so we're talking to tim and we said ten funniest thing happened. This call from Martin Suzy's attorney was also attorney you know. We sent him the script like months and months ago just mentioned that he goes well. Picture fell apart and the first thing he read that He really wants to. He wants to do this movie weird but anyway So anyway back door movie and he said wait a minute. Did you see March Brazilian wants to do this movie. Yeah because and you send it to him I well yeah. I gracefully gracefully withdraw from the project. I wondered in the retailing was tempered basically saying like wait a minute. You're talking to someone else about this like then you're not really serious about talking to me about got it did. He have total awareness his place at the time on the food chain and say well obviously if Marty wants to do it. He's going to do it so could be. He did that whether whether he did it out of a calculating sense. Maybe he was scared. You know he had maybe because he wanted to get on Martin Scorsese's good site whatever. It is telling the story that way that they a even gave him that agency in the telling Burns first feature film was it might well have been pews adventure. You're correct pee. Wee's big adventure Sameer as this. Yeah Wow Marty. In addition to his dream project falling apart had also come off a couple of films where the scale of the filmmaking making had gotten so large it's such a far cry from where he started with mean streets working with twenty twenty five person crew having the fluidity of a a forty day shoot as opposed to one hundred forty day. Shoot for Scorsese. He needed something to do because his dream project had fell through it was going to be much lower budget feature than his previous features. It was an opportunity to work more in the style of his roots and he had moved to Tribeca around the same time any hated. It was a Bohemian Hema culture and he was coming from an Italian American culture from little Italy and the Twain did not meet. He's like I could not wait to get back uptown myself. I wanted the elevator elevator to work. I didn't want to walk up and down the stairs. I wanted there to be shops and stores and restaurants which I wanna be a accosted by these weirdoes though of course. Martin Scorsese not only as the Irishman Richmond. That's out but there's been this flap over his comments about the marvel movies and he's now a force an elder statesman. But it's real interesting this this will when we get more into the film. There's so much in this film about art and about living a normal life but appreciating Bohemia yes the part of Paul Hackett that really wants to transgress yet and yet feels feels that he feels guilty about it. He is treated as if he is guilty. which is Martin Scorsese's Catholic upbringing? But I think his response what brought him to it is exactly what Paul Hackett is going through through. Yes and you have that also playing out like you said with his experiences with the studio system and the larger films that kind of took something away for rather offered offered him something but he felt a kind of punishment being meet out by God through the experience of it. which just last point on it after hours is Martin Scorsese's Phantom of the paradise dice? There are a lot of the same themes this Michael Ball houses fascinating brilliant cinematographer. He had come up in Germany and had gotten his formative experience working working with Foss Bender. He had shot forty movies before coming to America and making this movie in nineteen eighty five. He had shot sixteen movies. He's in eight years with foster alone. Have you seen a lot of fuss bender. I haven't seen a lot I've seen one or two. I think at one point I was like yeah. This guy really like to learn more about yeah I looked at his. IMDB you pay sheer numbers like forget it. All House was going to work on last imitation of Christ and so they ended up working together on this on. When they were doing saying pre-production Bauhaus realized that in order to accomplish this in forty nights because this is a shot at night Bah says number one? That was great. Because as a cinematographer talker he has total control over the light in the daytime. You've got a block light out. Light is more your enemy depending on the scene shooting whereas at night he was like I just had the camera pretty much wide open. All the time using available light key realized that they would need to do sixteen shots or setups per night which is insane but in order to do so they had to have a crew that was about twenty people and he had to work with a crew that he knew could do this on the fly so the first time they are on the set they set up the first shot in the movie. Which is actually Paul Hackett getting into the taxi cab so they started to light? It and Marty went to his trailer. Fifteen minutes later. Ball house knocked on Marty's fillers door and said okay. We're ready. You're ready is usually take several hours. So Mardi came out and after that he never went back his trailer and they all talk about how great it was to just is be able to do that and to work like that on a movie set and to just kind of go from one thing to another to another to actually do the things that you WanNa know reason you get into this to be doing that you. He used the excitement. That Martin Scorsese must've felt especially after something so big to come back to this and you can feel it in this movie. Yeah and it's part of the nature of this picturesque tale. You do you get that kind of as one of the characters puts it. Rules apply when I guess it's like you know what I mean like after hours. Great titular line. Let's take a little look. We meet Paul Hackett played by Griffin Dunne who works as a word processor a job title. which would soon become an actual machine? That's how you know you're working in a dying industry. There's a great scene with Bronson Pinchot. Oh yes as a trainee. Listen to Bronson Pinchot dialogue. which is so perfect is an example of the type of characterizations nations that exist in the screenplay on the page and I read this screenplay and this is exactly what's on the page pauses and all that's one thing that Joe million was great at is writing this dialogue? It's so naturalistic yet captures in Bronson Pinchot case this presumptive striving and youthfulness youthfulness of their career. Who has it was very different from Paul Hackett? WHO's also very youthful but seems to have settled settled one thing about the dialogue and just this kind of movie? These are the kinds of things that so many young writers. I do a shitty jawbone and everybody tries to do it. This forced casualness the else's the isn't that also journey where in every man in quotes. Just look look at all the crazy things that happen to them. It's seems like the easiest thing in the world all those policies and stuff are done deliberately by Joseph Minion. Paul Hackett in this scene is with Bronson Pinchot and we're learning important things about Paul Hackett through their interactions. But they're all informed by such wisdom. It's really an impressive accomplishment for such a young writer APPS and unless he ripped off a lot of the stuff that we're on the right format ruler breath now file right in memory right and mark this down and the preflight prefix co-driver good. You got it another week. You haven't done. It's temporary anyway. I said it's temporary anyway. I do not intend to be stuck doing this for the rest of my life. Don't tell Mr W I said that. Please okay because what I really want to do is a AH really like to get into publishing. You know there just aren't any openings right now but what I would love to do is just create a magazine Mile Magazine which would be like a forum for writers and intellectuals who can't get into print anywhere else who could you know I? I'm not into like editing. Trying to reach a particular audience getting it out there. They would get some momentum going and do you know do something with with you know.."