Mexico, United States, Inter Pol discussed on Pat Thurston


Or to effectively. You know, do it proper nationwide search. Um, you know, Mexico was very authoritarian government years ago, and it's still really on the democratic transition. It just hasn't been able to really build ineffective justice system and that is one of the central problems, but it's facing Shouldn't there be international help in that regard? I mean, the United States, of course, comes to mind because that's our government. But surely there are organizations, international organizations, well respected organizations, Inter pol, although I don't know if they would, because it may be something that is only involving Mexicans and Interpol might be something that requires, you know an international crimes where they cross their own borders. But it seems as if there should be some sort of assistance that could come from outside of Mexico to help them to be able to manage this enormous crisis. Yes, well, you know, there's a couple kinds of assistance that do exist. So the U. S government has provided resource this for forensic labs and forensic training and things like that, Uh, you know, trying to, um, you know, fund some efforts to simply provide more experts even to help go through all these bodies because they're just overwhelmed. Um, And then there's teams from different countries that have been expert in these things like Argentina in Guatemala. They both had dirty wars. Back in the Cold War era. So they had anthropologists develop this expertise and identifying bodies and in bones and so on. So there is some of that going on, Um On. There's there's talk about creating a bigger mechanism to bring in more international experts because Mexico's simply doesn't have enough forensic experts to deal with, you know, a massive pileup of bodies. I love that. I love the American countries that may be willing to assist here. One of the questions I was going to ask you is, if the remains ever will be identified. I mean, you may have a registry of the people who are missing. But how do you put those individuals with the remains? Maybe they're going to do some form of DNI testing. But how difficult will that be? Um, e? I mean, how much do you have of the person who died before they died or before they were disappeared to match up with any evidence that you could get from didna testing, and that is a very expensive endeavor. I would think. You're absolutely right. So there are efforts to have you no family members go and contribute that Vienna, right? You know, saliva, hair samples, that kind of thing right? But when a body is found, and I and they do the DNA's a testing on it, they can hopefully make a match. So proud. That problem is simply You know, they're just really gearing up on trying to get a d n a testing of the families. Some of the families are reluctant to participate. They know that in some areas the government is part of the disappearing so they keep their distance. Um, but yeah, And then the other problem, you know, again in Coahuila, where I went, so the safest at the time were so brutal. They Uh, would chop up the bodies of their victims and burn them in big oil drums. So what you have is a little tiny pieces fragments the size of like peppercorns, Right? And some of them are too burned to get Diana out of, or they've been exposed to the sun. Which kind of leeches. You know the DEA out. Um s so there's all these technical problems in in in taking didna from Ah body that Yeah, really now in tiny little pieces, right? Um And then, uh, yeah, Matching it with, you know, you need ideally more than just one parent you need, you know, Ideally, two parents and a sibling or something like that, Like like having one person is not necessarily enough to make a match, So it's a very complicated process. So sad. You know the pictures that Cos of the peace It shows some of those little pebbles and you know, my first question was. How do you even know those air human remains? They just look like pebbles. They look like little rocks. You're absolutely right on by mothers have become really expert. What they do is they take these big kind of screens. Uh, imagine like a screen from a window, but you turn it on its side and they will take the remains and put it on a screen for the dirt fall through, right, And then they go through and they identify into the bones are particularly hard. Um, sometimes they scrapped it against the surface because, you know The bone would be one thing if Stone will do another. Sometimes that can pick out keep, But they've become really expert in, um determining what's what, and then they put what they think of the bones aside and then an expert later goes through to confirm that, in fact, their body parts finding these bodies Aaron so many little pieces that they don't actually count them. They weigh them they way how many pounds of human remains are there? And it's just it seems like there have to be millions of those little pebbles. And how do you I'm how do you didna test all of that? You just It just seems like an impossible task. Listen, I don't take up too much more of your time. I do want to ask you one other question, though, And I do want to tell people Please read this piece on look at the pictures and hear the heartache. The piece is called on The Washington Post website. It's headlined the search for the disappeared points to Mexico's darkest secrets. You know. Ah, Lot of this is based in the drug wars. As as you pointed out the beginning of the drug wars. There's a lot of talk about Mexico, um, embracing legalization..

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