USA, Twitter discussed on Politics and Public Policy Today


USA band sounds like the princess is great really happy to see you because I know you as a as a as a a flesh and blood person the problem is that social media from drunk strangers can't get that done and as a result of that social media between strangers is not a it's not a compliment to real human relationships it's a substitute for real human relationship that does not give you the bio chemical on it does not meet your needs it even worse it's a contempt machine because it reduces you to some guy with a Twitter handle it reduces you to something that's literally less than human and kind of forbid it's anonymous and I can dehumanize you and I can dehumanize me and that's the reason that we're going down this terrible rabbit hole of contempt largely driven by the relationships that we see on social media so how how can you fix that without completely unplugging because you I've checked your Twitter account an hour ago before we got into the studio and you've been tweeting out practical things mostly from this book but ways to tackle the culture of contempt but using a medium Twitter that is largely at least in the political space I think sports Twitter is a foretaste of heaven yeah a little cold its it's main ingredient seems to be contempt hi how can we solve this problem unless everybody unplug because I don't think you're recommending that no I'm not and and I don't well even if I did it would be practical there's no reason for me to recommend that it's not gonna happen in the meantime but one thing that I do recommend is that that people think about the social media behavior and say is this complimenting my life or is this substituting for real relationships in my life and you can see both I mean I've got I mean my kids are sixteen nineteen twenty one they're they're pretty good on social media I mean they use it because they want actually set up to where they gonna meet for example in my oldest son uses Facebook to figure out where he's going to meet his buddies in college or they're gonna have a meeting for something he but he doesn't use it as a substitute for human relationships I think that people are actually not withstanding all the scary things we see I think it's actually getting better at one the things that I recommend is to say my substituting for real human relationships because if I am I'm gonna get an oxytocin deficit I'm gonna have less pleasure I'm gonna be more contemptuous I'm gonna be less effective I'm gonna be less successful and that's bad thank god I make sure it's a compliment for your real human relationships I recommend talking on social media with your real friends that you see regularly and not others the other thing that I recommend is to try to use it and and this is my experiment on social media so you know United follow each other you notice that I'm I I I I'm just not gonna say mean things on Twitter I lash myself to the mass I announced on social media that I'm gonna do John Gottman's rule you know yes it's five to one rule with couples five beautiful things for every criticism I'm gonna say five nice positive constructive aspirational loving things for every one thing that I say that's maybe a joke or maybe this will be critical in what I find is after I do the five and gets the one I just think I'm committing myself to using at using it as a positive meetings I mean I'm gonna get fifty million followers nope because it's a lot more interesting and fun to get that dopamine head which is another neuro transmitter another hormone in the brain that they give you this little reward when you get stimulated away either positive or negative that that you see when somebody's insulting somebody else unlucky part of that but I have to say Twitter doesn't **** me out because I'm only participating in a way if I feel like I'm lifting other people up you mentioned leaders who succeed with the two different tactics in this book you unpack coercive leadership and authoritative leadership which I think could also be called aspirational leadership is in the box you also said your pot you're optimistic about where we're headed why what what we have you covered the course of leaders succeed and don't we see more of that now yes of course of leaders and and then this is language is taken from Daniel Coleman from Harvard who's done work on thousands of CEOs and your political leaders were mostly CEOs and what he says is categorized and using a statistical technical factor analysis not that that's an important one as he breaks up into bins of different kinds of leaders and R. one polar renders these divisive leader because of course of leaders and that's kind of self explanatory there the ball is there the Yeller is there that the contempt towards you know they they they treat other people with contempt and they demand immediate compliance a lot of what we see in politics today certainly what we see a lot of media and entertainment on the other end authoritative leaders are visionaries they basically say they don't say come with me now they say do you see a better future do you wanna do you wanna come with me their winsome they they they make people want to follow them that's authoritative leaders work now one of the things that we know from American history is a course of leaders have succeeded and they have succeeded is significantly and and and they've had a lot of followers and they won elections but they don't last for long and when they go down they go down ugly they tend to fragment no this is not the case and naturally populous countries you know France is a much more populous place as a result coercive populist leaders tend to hang on for a lot longer but not in the United States what we see is generally that that coercive populist leadership only tends to be successful in the ten fifteen years after the financial crisis why because the financial crisis what it does is it it doesn't create low economic growth increased uneven economic growth we're really the economic growth comes after financial crisis it almost all the crews of the top twenty percent of the economic distribution was a lot of resentment it makes perfect sense is a lot of research that shows that leads to a surge in in support for populist politicians and parties just exactly what we're seeing now but then it ends when it ends it ends badly for this course of leaders the authoritative leaders they have an opportunity I believe we have a market opportunity and here's the key statistics on it I wanna I wanna talk to share and and and you know talk about this before but I'm really excited about this I'm happy about this there's a group called more in common other works in United States and Great Britain and it is kind of what it sounds like you know what we have in common and they do a lot of very high quality polling they find that ninety three percent of Americans hate how divided we're becoming as a country okay now the dark side of that is a seven percent of Americans don't hate how divided we've become as a country why because they're profiting from it they're getting famous and powerful ritual getting internet clicks and or there maybe just kind of sociopathic personalities but the ninety three percent of us which is most people watching us right now and you in me I know for sure we want something better and that's a market opportunity for authoritative leadership takes longer takes more skill but I like ninety three percent a lot more like seven percent Arthur Brooks interviewed by Republican senator from Nebraska Ben Sasse his book love your enemies so let me play devil's advocate one of the reasons we see so much contempt played out even when we know it's a bad habit for us to continue indulging in again and again surely seems to be because of the media the market signals we send back to the media is that these are the kinds of stories we want so one thing ninety three percent maybe just putting on rose colored glasses when the pollsters asking them a direct question but what's borne out in their day to day behavior is that we all kind of like that the quick put down yeah you know that that is possible of course but I look at the data the say that where we say we don't like it and it makes us unhappy and further more about research that shows that when people are participating in a climate of contempt either being treated with contempt order treating others with contempt that it enhances stress hormones but it makes people feel lonelier and these are all of the things that we see we see higher and higher levels of stress in our society we see lower lower levels of social capital more people say they feel lonely and they're they're pressed in this is this is non trivial loosely related to the political and ideological climate America today what this means to me is that we are an equal kind of a sub optimal equilibrium right now because we have leaders leaders and media leaders on campuses leaders in politics leaders in entertainment we're making a big profit by actually being in the seven percent in in what look what if that's all you got you're gonna take one side or the other you know I can take the other side screamers we're gonna take your own size but we don't like it we're looking for something better this is the reason I've always been so bullish on your political life is because you're not that one guy I mean the whole thing Braskem in it's a this is what's so good when I hear you talk because you're you're you're the man for the ninety three percent we need more people like this this is a this is a a pregnant moment this is a moment waiting to happen in American politics today we are sick of that and it's time for us to stand up to seven percent say look I will take it and and by the way I am addicted I'm an addict but there are lots of products this is another point that you're making they're a lot of products that we consume and we consume regularly and that we patronize to to great market effect that we hate you know one of the reasons that the the the the the the cigarette companies are now trying to make cigarettes less dangerous and even less addictive is because people started to figure out the tobacco was something that people are addicted to when they get to spend a lot of money on but they didn't like it because it was hurting them that is the product that we house in contemptuous politics today as as you know and with the vehicle things like social media we do it all the time we're stuck on it but we don't like her lines we want something better we're waiting for that something better this book is filled with fascinating social science research so I don't want to as historian force history on to you but since you just brought up the two thousand eight financial crisis and how this sort of division of unequal growth leads to a lot of envy and and contempt as a product and then these habits or form and then the reinforced on to do a little more history for us thirty years ago there wasn't as much contempt in American public life as there is today right what one of that historical reasons that led us to get here why do why why did we get into this vicious cycle will so thirty years ago there was less but that's it's not to say that that we're an all time high I mean there there's a lot you statistics historical statistics rose really tricky to use and and pretty easy to manipulate it is true that we are as politically polarized as we were at any time since the American Civil War however using waxing and waning of highly contentious politics again what you see is a generally following the financial crisis of a ten or fifteen year cycle of populism the the populist political rhetoric is almost always contemptuous it's almost impossible to be a very very positive populist if not I'm finding courage in people and and in this book and in this interview in our time together is for people to be positive populace to be authoritative populace in a way to grab that ninety three percent of that typically is not how we see populism take form so there's a lot of historical trends that that have happened along the way we see times like this in the late nineteenth century where in nineteen eighteen ninety to nineteen ninety six we had we had financial crisis one on.

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