And the hummel Lennox. Okay. Yeah, two follow-up questions on there. You mentioned trying to anticipate the disagreements of your audience. I don't think many people at least on this show have highlighted that. Why do you spend time trying to think about what is hard to swallow about your passage? I think of trade chain at using John starts metaphor, his great book of honor exists called between two worlds. Maybe you're going to pull it off the shelf. I can touch it, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But we all know and love that book. Right. So preaching a standing between the word of the text and the word of the listener. Okay. And there's a gap. There's a ravine, or a chasm, or a river. Why is there a gap? What is the gap composed of? It could be lack of understanding. The bad answer is this and they don't remember that means. But. I'm in a treadmill. Lack of agreement, right? So they might understand it. But in their heart of hearts, they might be feeling like, is that true? I'm not buying that. You got to be kidding me. And so there was a gap and the preacher who senses a gap based on a scent or agreement has to take his reverse stance as a an apologist, a persuader, a defender, not just a teacher, not just an explainer. That's important, but now going beyond that into saying, no, this is really true. Let me explain to you why. And I think maybe a poster child in doing this great example might be Timothy Keller, he's very good at anticipating and healing their skepticism and addressing it. Yeah. And so your president, as you mentioned, interim pastor of a Chinese American church. And that's not from my assumption about you. That's not your background. How do you, what research are you doing? How are you trying to learn? What are maybe even the unique Chinese American objections or questions or disagreements about every passage or each passage? Yes. I need to do a better job of that, but I have damned things like, I have talked to the longtime youth pastor, and I've said, and I help me get inside the minds here when I say it and the Bible says and such, how do they show that, what kind of experience I've talked to people like that experts or people, I have a leadership team, we call it the core group, I talk to the core with us have I done at that particular church talk to my co pastor there, but in other churches I've been part of, I used to have a Sherman prep team, and I deliberately invited people that represented different demographics and the church. Other person and a young person and the working person. And we would meet about once a quarter, and I would present to them I passages. I might even present to them a particular sermon that I was working on, maybe the big idea, and I would get there input. And they would send me illustrations. And I would hear the text through their ears. So I've tried to get feed forward, not just feedback. So I had done things like that to help with that audience adaptations side. Yeah, did you invent that term feed forward? I don't think so, but I use it a lot. I like it. Yeah, because feedback. On the one hand, it's valuable, but then it doesn't keep you from making those mistakes. It only highlights the ones that you did. Feed forward, that's wonderful. And then I guess, thank you for bringing in those two different church situations and examples. Because maybe the temptation is to see, oh, the Chinese Americans, that's a different culture than yours. So therefore you need to do it. But even if it's other people that have grown up in the same on the same street as you, there is a gap that we need to work hard to fix. And we don't want to assume, oh, well, they're the same. We're all the same here when it's actually not the case. Yeah, I think I've heard you have a common grace, maybe by virtue of being a day, all of us are creating image of God. I think what we have in common is greater than what we don't have in common. And Mike, you've lived in California, live in Ireland. People are people, right? Sure. By the way, chronologically also, the current, they wear the caribbeans. We have the same kind of problems. So there's a amount of commonality in the Bible as a universal document. Having said that, there are differences. Men and women. And different races and ethnicities and age groups, and all of that. So it's helpful to think about the differences also. Yeah, yeah. Well, I appreciate that. And then the second thing to come back to with what you said, as you mentioned, that you consult about, you know, I think 5 or 6 commentaries what you said. And obviously there's so many more than that you could, but you filter through to what might be the most useful. What's that process of finding the 5 or 6 that you're going to use at the exclusion of others? Yeah, I often try to name that I know or series that I know like the my back. And IV AC is a good series, the new international version, what is it, Mike? Apple application, commentary. The white ones, right? Yes. And that's a good one. I often turn to the tyndall series. They're smiling. They're purple. They're good. They're good. Yeah. And then I turned in names that I know, whether it's John stat or William hendrickson. So that's my process of design, it's not particularly elegant. Okay. Okay, so you're not pulling the other seminary staff to find out what's the new or the latest. But sometimes not usually. Okay. Well, this is me. Now I want to pivot transition into, do you have any commentaries you'd recommend on colossians and philemon? Thank you for mentally. Yes, I have created publishers is doing that so by a commentary, every book of the Bible moving very consciously and from exegesis through sermon. So it's a commentary series designed for preachers. So it's kind of like benign vac, but I think it's even better than that for actual creation of sermons. And thank you, Mike. I cut authored the colossians and filed meiman volume. And I also did ephesians, by the way. Oh, did you? Okay. I didn't preach effusions lately. So everybody has an exit. My career after on that one is Adam Copenhagen, PhD in New Testament. He's a pastor. And then a Hamiltonian I was the hummel with Titian from how did you actually preach these various yeah, well, I mean, our church, we preach through colossians earlier this year. And broken up between myself and the other elders. And so I use this for my sermon and then hand it and so this, this has a lot of fingerprints on it because this has been handed from preacher to preacher. Along with some other ones. And very positive feedback from that. And so thank you personally and on behalf of the elder team at Calgary cork, thank you for this..