Donald Trump, America, Ryan Williams discussed on Glenn Beck
Am a Claremont institute Lincoln fellow. I can't speak highly enough about the Claremont institute's. I'm delighted to have Ryan Williams. Joining us now, not least because Ryan was instrumental in a a new obstacle coming up on a climate institute website American mind dot org. I suggest you all take a look at this slightly spicy. I think it's called our house divided multiculturalism versus America spy Thomas de clinging stain. And it's a fascinating article. Ryan, thanks for joining us to discuss this. I guess I guess there's always trepidation when when publishing something like this, especially you know, in August institution led claim on institute. Waiting into into the debate surrounding multiculturalism. I mean, I personally don't have an issue doing it myself. But you know, what kind of rocks get thrown by the establishment media when something like this happen? So just like, let's let's talk through this article a little bit. Let's talk about it's it's it's a prognosis over multiculturalism. And then and then perhaps you can talk us through a little bit of the thought process behind this. Sure. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Well, Tom Clinger's seen is full disclosure clermont's board chairman, which of course, is in his byline, but he wanted to update this term multiculturalism, which a lot of us. Probably haven't heard since the nineties and tie it to identity, politics, and political correctness and really to to lay the blame for for the some of our path allergies, and our identity politics pass allergies and our current political pass at the feet of the academy and the project that it's been been going about for the last fifty years. It's pretty it's it's pretty in depth. I mean, it doesn't it doesn't pull any punches hair. I mean, you know, looking at looking at both the the establishments perspective on multiculturalism is what is the rights perspective on multi-culturalism? What do you think that the key takeaways from from docks can stay off? Well, his his one of his his lead point was really that. A lot of conservatives didn't understand what Trump was doing team draws the provocative analogy between Trump and Lincoln and his point is that in know in the slavery crisis knee team, fifties Lincoln oriented, his whole political project around getting rid of slavery and making sure that the principle that it was right didn't spread which was the principal of the south. And that all the means that were asked his disposal were interested of that goal. So Tom's analogy is to try to unite conservatives these days behind Trump because he gets one thing right at least at the very least, and that's insanity of political correctness in its nature. So Tom Tom thinks that we have to keep that in view, and you know, that ought to orient us and. Trump and context and put the larger project of what should be the larger project of conservatism these days within focus. So it might mean that set of policy priorities that that conservative ink is not used to it might mean a lying behind the man that they're uncomfortable with the main goal should be kept inside. Because really if we allow multiculturalism and identity politics to become the dominant way of thinking in American national political life than the games up. Yeah. I'm just going to quote from this article a little bit. And then and then we'll come back and discuss more of it quote. Trump's and talk campaign was the defense of America. The election was fault. Not so much over policies. Character Email service James Comey as it was over the meaning of America. Trump's wall was not say much about keeping foreigners out as it was keeping a commitment to a distinctive country immigration free trade and foreign policy about protecting our own in these policies Trumpers, raising the question who are we as a nation. He owns it by being Trump a man made in America unmistakably, an unapologetically American and like most of his fellow citizens one who does not give a hoot what Europeans or intellectuals think I picked that. I picked that paragraph Obama's because they'll only do I host one might argue the European intellectual. Yeah. We give you a Passover favorite, European intellectual. I mean, that's that makes it pretty quick. And and I suppose maybe we can reflect on on the impending midterm elections using that as well. I mean when you've looked at this and you'll typically out in in California, right? When you've looked at the last couple of months of campaigning. Whether it's been Abernathy in stormy Daniels. Whether it's been brick Cavanaugh, whether it's been migrant caravans, it all seems to be coming back to what someone Thomas things done is written in this article, right? What it means to be America? What America not just allows? But what also would it taller rates and does it really tolerate having its commander in chief? You know, having his genitalia rolls up in in news articles, having you know, blow up Dole's of him like dressed as a rat. Now, tolerates it in the sense of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. But I think to to borrow the website name of yours. I think the American mind rejects that, right? I think they don't see as fair play. They don't see it as fair. Game. Whereas the whereas the presidential campaign as as this article suggests it did come down to it. I said at the beginning of this radio show today, I quoted Lincoln in indifference of this president, which is why I wanted to have you on it comes down to what's you know, what this country looks like. And I think that's why of course, the migrant caravan issue is is is is looming. So large as an issue, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think so, you know, Trump's critics see criticism of migrant caravan or criticism of foreigners who might not be suitable for Republican government is simply racist or white nationalist or other some other absurd. Ad hominem attack. Whereas think Tom likes to point out in the article, and I think you can find it in many of Trump's speeches as well that what we're really talking about is a a common citizenry sharing with shared borders, which has every right to determine the. Who who knew citizens ought to be a criteria for admitting people who want to join this political community. So in that sense. It's it's thoroughly American and goes back all the way to our theory of constitutionalism, the declaration, and the idea that we all consent together to form a government that doesn't have anything to do with whiteness, or or the nastier strains of modern nationalist politics of the European ready. Now, you guys are no strangers to publishing controversial articles in September of two thousand sixteen you publish the Michael Anton essay the flight ninety three election. I just want to quote from that because it was really one of those articles that left an indelible Mark on on me. And I think the the American intellectual mind that was trying to analyze what was going on there. I quote from from Mike lenton who who wrote at the time under a pseudonym and went on to serve on the national Security Council. He said in the opening of this article twenty sixteen is a flight ninety three election charged the cockpit. Or you die. You may die. Anyway, you will the leader of your party may make it into the cockpit and not know how to fly or land the plane. There are no guarantees except one. If you don't try death is certain to compound, the metaphor, a Hillary Clinton presidency is Russian roulette with a semi also with Trump at least you can spend the cylinder and take your chances. Ryan, you guys you guys are really putting putting the cat amongst the pigeons with this sort of thing, so say just talk us through. I mean, Clermont is a is a fantastic institution of think tank and comes up with. I mean, I've got to tell you some of the fellows and board members and so on and so forth. I mean, one of my favorites being professor John Marini, who I believe has a book coming out shortly about the administrative state, which I'm sort of obsessed by but but, but when you do these things I mean, do you sort of bulk you think, oh, we're going to be attacked by the weekly standard or national review? Like, he's a conservative ink is going to round on us. Yeah. That's always a concern. Of course. But I think there's a lot of us have realized. You know, Trump is a symptom not a cause of the scrambling of our modern post, Cold War politics. I think this was a. And you know, the fusion ISM that emerged that sustained clear conservatives in through the mid century and beyond had kind of stopped making some in the post Cold War world. So this this this intermediation to use a fancy word that matinees used before wasn't evitable. And we're just trying to think our way through it at times. You know, the body politic needs a little bit of shocking Plymouth's rather than just another scholarly books. So when the time calls for we thought it was prudent to pursue a little more of. Heartache ICS you called the spicy. Absolutely. I honestly Ryan I really appreciate it. And I really appreciate the the American mind dot org. It's a it's a relatively new publication that you guys have started out of the Claremont institute's. And it's just some fantastic articles. I just wanted to have you on plug that. And thank you for all your efforts. I appreciate it for him. And I encourage everyone check out, of course, are classic Claremont review books as well. Which is absolutely a must read Ryan Williams. Thank you so much for.