Texas, Ken Vogel Vogel, George Jones discussed on Global Revolutions
Keith wetland. Lori Morgan did Tila tear becomes rose and the Wittstein brothers did rose heart now as promised or is threatened. Nathan Nate Gibson is in the studio. Thanks for having me, though. Have you been in Madison? A couple of years almost a year and a half plus some working for the center for the study of the upper mid west is that close to being what the title is. It's close I'm affiliated with the center for the study of upper mid western culture based in mills music library, and I am the ethnic American music curator for the university. Okay. And. Mentioned you're still working your dissertation too. That's correct owns the history of country music. Our study of country music in Finland. Yep. And you finish. Yup. I'm finish for us. Keep us. Welcome. And thank you. We did. Of course this summer in upper peninsula, Michigan on Finnish American festivals. And so I got speak use my Finnish language skills a little bit in the upper upper midwest great. You've been a busy man and much of your life, and your somehow you manage to work in the history of the star day records. Yeah. What got you interested in star day? Well, I graduated with a a songwriting degree and nothing to do when I finished my undergrad degree. And so I I had just finished making my first record that was with Kenny Roberts who recorded for starting among other labels, and I was curious about his recordings and he introduced me to Rowsley Mayfield. Speaking of your rose theme and rose introduced me to Don Pierce and Pierce was the founder of this record label and had produced a lot of Maddox brothers and rose a four star before that and he bought an older labor. Made it into a big what? Bought into four star. He bought a share? I'm thinking star star daily, and that's a name SEO the starting name. So they they started this label. Jack Starnes was lefty Frizzell touring manager, and he sued lefty for breach of contract and took all of that money and wanted to start a label, but he wanted juke jukebox distribution. So we brought pappy daily and and they released three records, but they didn't know about copyright. They didn't know about managing artists. By the fourth labeled at the fourth record. They released they brought in Don Pierce. And that's when they actually founded the label together then parish came down from the north west. Washington. He's he's from Washington. But he was he moved to start a office to Los Angeles. So even though it's mostly a Texas music label. It was based in California and eventually to to Nashville in nineteen fifty seven. They went to Nashville and became the largest independent country music record label in the nineteen fifties and sixties wasn't significance of star day. What what what roll what what's our great contribution to American music and the country music. It's pretty vast. I started was created the largest bluegrass catalogue of any record label in the world. So in the nineteen fifties and sixties they recorded the Stanley brothers, Jim and Jesse all of the acts bluegrass acts that had been dropped by the rock and roll phenomenon. Start a kept producing that. And win old time artists on the grand ole Opry, folks, like the crooks brothers are salmon Kirk McGee or string bean couldn't get record deals. Start a released all of those records. And so there's a great. Preservation of traditional American roots music. They also dabbled with some rockabilly, and they put out the most rockabilly music of any record label fifties that was pappy daily was really keen on cashing in making artists like George Jones and Leon Payne sort of try their hand at rock and roll. Then they really just did a lot of western swing and the largest gospel music catalog in the nineteen fifties and sixties it was really a powerhouse independent record label. The George Jones makes his earliest records restarting. He made his first starting. Yeah. They were the one that launched starting launched George Jones, and Roger Miller and Dottie west and the big Bopper and a lotta great great country music performers. So huge importance in. I I believe that's what I argue in the of course, and the the book if people can't find the book immediately in bookstores around here, they could easily find any bookstore could get a copy of it, right restroom any bookstore. Could order this book, you could go to Amazon. But of course, supporting local favourite bookstore would be great thing to do. Imagine mystery to me probably has if you out could easily get a few copies. I would love it. If they carried it. I love that shot. But I don't know if they carry it. It's not so much a mystery. I sort of unpacked the mystery of starting in there. Do you carry any copies around with you? I don't that's kind of hard for for for rider tomorrow his own merchandise. We found that to be true. Yeah. It's it was published by the university press of Mississippi, and sadly, my author discount is just about the same price. You could buy it for on Amazon. So for me to carry it and charge the retail price on it. People can just get it cheaper online. I respect that choice. People. Make it's hard for me to carry it in stock for that reason though. So this history of starter you went from there to project give some input pub- publicity. The people who are still living people who recorded for starting. That's my most recent project. My last CD was an entire CD started covers and the idea was all the people that had helped me on the starting book. And then I made a a radio documentary hour long documentary about starting at all the people that helped me do that. I wanted to cover one of their songs, so I did a Stanley brother's song because Ralph it helped me did an orangey Ray Hubbard song and Ranji had been part of the book project in Glenn barber and all these people who had helped I wanted to give tribute to them. And then I thought why just cover their songs why not make Iraq? Record with the artists who are still around still making music and still sounding gray. And I didn't know at the time. But that that simple idea kind of spiraled into a a massive project that required crisscrossing the country for the last year and a half. Well, it's fortunate that you're independently wealthy because. Yeah. I really lucked out there. I I've been making about five thousand dollars a year for the last six years as a grad student and scraping by and then I moved to a -sconsin for my first maybe about sixty five hundred right? My first job that I've had out of grad school, and I immediately took all that money and dumped it into a really big recording project and got kinda consumed so altogether have many artists are involved in this would appear on it. So I went. Yeah. I went around deciding I would try to make a record with as many of the artists who are still making music from start a records heyday, which was nineteen fifty three to nineteen sixty eight and there are easily fifty artists that I could have tracked down, but because of all of the time constraints, and and really wanting to make this record with my friends who have been part of the project for start a project for long time. We have fourteen started artists. On this current record. I did a double album of twenty four songs with fourteen starting artists and the backing band is mostly Marty Stuart's backing band. Chris Greg's Kenny Vaughan with me on most of these play. When he does he plays on a few tracks as well. And we also did some sessions in Indiana with my backing band with Jerry Miller from the jewel band, and we did some in Texas. Our you'll hear Kevin Smith is Willie Nelson's bass player some of those guys. So then from there he moved onto the how did the puppet idea. Matt explain what that is. Yeah. So we got all these all these songs traveling around recorded all these sessions in Texas and Nashville in Oregon, West Virginia, Virginia, Indiana, and I decided okay now that I've got all these sessions. I need to have a visual for I can't get everybody in a room together. I was doing oral histories with every artist recording sessions video taping the sessions and and videoing interviews with every artist. So that I could do a much bigger project. I had I had documentary in my mind. But as this project got kind of grander. I thought I need a visual to kind of capture it and at the same time, I was doing an oral history with Jim Kirckstein Jim Kirk from Kuka records who has donated the Kuka collection to the mills music library, and I've been documenting that digitizing that collection. And as we're doing that I went out to do oral histories with him. And I said, you know, I'd love to talk to you and record you, and he showed me his basement, and it was filled with marionnettes, and I was blown away. I just thought this is the most beautiful thing. What is this? And he said, well, a friend of his who lives in Madison makes marionnettes and he's he's the same guy who did all of the if you've been to L S deli. He did all of those decorations around Ellas del his name getting to that the big unveil name is Ken Vogel Vogel, Ken Vogel, and he made all of this amazing stuff. He's not just Madison favor artists. He's my favorite artists that I know he makes incredible art, he's incredibly genuine talented guy. You may have met him. If you were at the willy street market, he's making marionnettes and and selling them at the markets. He's just a really talented artists. And I didn't realize it. We're head. Yeah. So I had him make marionettes of all of the start a artists who are on the record as well as mardi Stuart and Kenny Vaughan, and Chris Griggs and some of the backing guys and I'm living the postcard now. Yeah. And I made this album cover of all these marionettes that Ken Vogel had made. And with the kind thanks to Bill and Bobbie Malone for holding the Marian at the photograph. We got some amazing photographs it's been a lot of fun to have friends over to make music videos with these things and stage action shots, and it's a big part of the aesthetic of the stars of start a project. Now, you brought in some examples of what will be on the project. Why don't we play? You wanna play one right now? Let's play when nobody's ever heard. These this is the I haven't actually mastered the record yet. I'm very close to that. But these are the final mixes. So it's close to what you'll be hearing. When you hear the final record. But since it's such a rainy day. I thought we would start. With two hundred Frankie Miller, the black land farmer, and we recorded this in Austin, Texas at the politics studios. And this is a song called rain rain..