White Eisenhower, Israel David Ben Gurion And Sharon Cameron discussed on Unorthodox
Hey there it's Leo. How was your Passover? I hope that despite all the hardship you manage to find just a little bit of light and warmth in this magical holiday. I hope you had a chance to read the God with fresh eyes and find new meaning in this ancient story of ours. I hope you had a chance to hug. Your loved ones in person or over zoom and to feel grateful for all that we still have even or particularly in this difficult time and I hope the rest of the holiday finds all of us even if not yet free to leave our homes and Wander in the wilderness at least mindful of Piss ox perennial reminder. That miracles happen when you least expect them. So while we couldn't come to you yesterday for another Coupla Chabad because of the holiday we wanted to give you just a little bit unorthodox this evening introduce you to a remarkable new novel. That feels very much of the moment and give you our traditional Jewish joke to end the week and welcome the new one on a cheerful note. Have a list. It gives me great pleasure to welcome one of my favorite authors Sharon Cameron. Hello Hello so. I read your incredible new book. The light in hidden places My wife had the pleasure of editing. I don't want to give away too much applaud. You'll tell us a little bit about it soon but thought it really kind of brought to the fore this incredible story and and this incredible protagonists that we haven't heard about and then life as it so often does took this kind of additional turn and made the book even more relevant because the book is in many ways a book about people who are kind of secluded in small stressful pace and have to deal with extraordinary times and circumstances around them so tell us a little bit about this incredible novel the Leiden hidden places based on a true story. It's a story of two Sisters Stefania and Helena Pit Gorski and this is a story that I had become aware of a long time ago back in the nineteen ninety s when I was watching oral histories that had been done by the US Holocaust Museum. Just just for fun to pass the time. Yes as as one does which would be me that is. I've spent a lot of time doing that. And so I listened listened to the story. That's defined you. Pick Gorski was telling about her life and I was just riveted. I couldn't move off my couch while she was telling about life and basically she was a sixteen year old Polish Catholic girl alone in german-occupied country during the war she had sole charge of her six year old sister. No family no parents. They were destitute on their own. When in the middle of the night there came a knock on the door and on the other side of the door was a young Jewish man. Maxium aunt who had just jumped from a moving train taking him to death camp and he was broken and bloody and he said. Please hide me. And Stephanie. And Helena opened the door and eventually they opened that door twelve more times until they had thirteen Jews hidden in a space behind a false wall in their attic and then came the next knock on the door and this time it was too s s officers. Who Said we are requisitioning? Your House for staff quarters for a new hospital this being put in across the street. And you have one hour to leave or be shot and Stefan and Helena who are sixteen years old and six years old chose not to leave and when the officers came back in exactly one hour. They said well. Actually maybe it's great that you didn't leave because I think we've we've housed almost all of our staff so we'll just take one room and you can stay too so the Nazis moved in so now. These two girls have thirteen Jews in hidden space in an attic at four knots as sleeping in the bedroom directly below them and I'm sitting there on my couch listening to her. Tell the story and it is one of the most amazing stories of resourcefulness resilience heroism and humanity. That I had ever ever heard. They never forgot it. I didn't forget it for twenty three years until I became a writer in and looked for her and found her. And that's the next part of the story but But it was just such an incredible journey for me to follow that journey that they took it was really life changing so as a writer. There are a million questions I want to ask. You won't because I don't want to spoil the incredible plot in the incredible ending endings twists. I mean this is really some some serious Hollywood material here but but I want to know about your approach this books when you first started kind of really diving into it to get into this mindset to get into this period to get into this atmospherics that are so wrought with Claustrophobia and tension and anxiety and fear. How do you? How do you get into these characters? Heads how did you go ahead and try to kind of work your way into into the voice of telling the story? Well I was really lucky In that when I when I looked forced to find pet gore iskoe found was her son Edmund. Ski and edge shared with me. His mother's unpublished memoir. So I had an incredible window into Stefan. Yes mind But then added. I also decided to go to Poland together to research his mom's life so during that trip to Poland. We were able to interview children who had been trapped in that attic with the Nazis. Right below them. We were able to interview Helena. The little sister and they gave me such an incredible View into what life was like for those people what it was like to be a child and to be in such a small space. They attic was not large enough for thirteen people You could not actually stand up the space. She described it. They were lying like sardines stacked next to each other. If one person needed to turn over they all had to turn over. And they had to sit and lay there in absolute silence. There could be there was no. Kaufman's SNORE SNEEZE SIGH. No noise of any kind. Everything could be heard three that floor for how long for they were like that for nine months and I think honestly if it had been much longer they would not have been able to survive but it was. It was a horrific situation. She told me what it was like to have to lie. Still while rats ran across your body. But you couldn't move. You couldn't make any noise and you know it just. It takes my shelter in place that I'm doing right now in my comfortable home with my family with everything I need and puts it in really really good perspective right those of us who complained their Manhattan apartments are just too small for kids. Could really use a little refresher here again. Without spoiling the magnificence of the story. Can you tell us a little bit about how it ends? Yeah I think I think I can Because I really think this with the story there's A. There's quite a few people that know about to find you so with the story. It's really all about the how how did do it and I think that is the amazing part. I think the incredible and to find your story that it's okay to share is that she married one at the men. She saved She married Max who jumped off the train and not at her door and so it was their son that I worked with to write the book and so it was really Such a gift of trust that he gave me For both his parents stories to take both of these stories and put them into fiction when it was so personal you know to him and his family. I will never get over being grateful for the trustee placed on me but that Sharon Cameron. The book is so beautiful and again. If you're looking for a novel that is both a tremendously fascinating untold story from the Holocaust and an incredible testament to the strength of the human spirit. One sixteen year old girl who took the ultimate risk For really humanity sake and also a novel that very much remains as deeply relevant in our time of Sheltering in place. I can't think of a better book. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you my name. Is Jeremy Dabur? And I'm the author of Jewish comedy Series History I'm sure by this point of the holiday. Many of you have consumed a great deal of Passover related content And as a result I wanted to go and other way intelligence that has absolutely nothing to do with Passover at all and the joke the way I heard it I was that it is about the president of the United States to White Eisenhower and he takes his first trip to Israel and he meets while he's there the first prime minister of Israel David Ben Gurion and been gory and asks him he says. I know you're military man. And he says you know I wonder whether you'd be interested in seeing the tomb of the unknown. Jewish soldier Eisenhower says of course. I'd be very honored to do that. So then Gordon degrees and they go over and to Heart's on the and they see this grand tomb. You know all granite and it says on it right. A carved into the tombstone Hyman Goldfarb shorter and Eisenhower. Of course is a little bit Confused because it's the tomb of the unknown Jewish soldiers. I thought that was what this was the tomb the soldier and Ben Gurion and says oh. I see what your problem is. No no you see as a soldier. He was unknown. But as a furrier he was fantastic and with that. I wish you all a very happy. Passover I hope you have enjoyed and I hope the week ahead brings all of us. Good News Shiva to France..