Joe Biden, Jason, Congress discussed on The Takeaway
More american seen feel the devastation in big cities small towns coastlines and farmlands in red states and blue states after four years of climate denial and an embrace of fossil fuels under former president trump president. Joe biden is looking to clean up. The country's energy policy on his first day in office biden signed a number of executive orders reversing course on everything from the paris agreement to the controversial keystone excel pipeline and though climate activists and others are celebrating these efforts not everyone is on board some republicans including us. Senator shelley moore capito of west virginia have alleged that biden's recent climate action's jeopardize tens of thousands of jobs in the us specifically citing the halting of the twelve hundred mile pipeline. It is i actions. President biden managed to kill thousands of jobs and paralyze america's industries this is an economic energy and national security disaster. In my view the debate over keystone is raising questions. About what kinds of jobs will be lost. What kinds of will emerge under the biden. Administration's environmental policies key plank of our bill back better recovery plan is building a modern resilient climate infrastructure clean energy future that will create millions of good pain union jobs not seven eight ten twelve dollars an hour but prevailing wage and benefits. I'm tansy vega and the tension between the climate crisis and the jobs crisis is where we start today on the takeaway heather. Richard's is an energy reporter with ian news. Heather welcome to the takeaway. Thanks for having me. And jason walsh is the executive director of the blue green alliance which works to unite labor unions and environmental organizations. Jason glad to have you on. The show is going to be here heather. Let's start with you. I wanna play an exchange between fox news reporter. Peter doocy and white house press secretary. Jen press secretary. Sorry jen psaki. That sort of gets to the core of this issue. Let's take a listen administration going to let the thousands of fossil fuel industry workers whether it's pipelines workers for construction workers who are either our or will soon be out of work because of vitamin e. When it is and where it is that they can go for their green job. Well certainly welcome you to present your data of all the thousands and thousands of people who won't be getting a green job. Maybe next time you're here. He can present that. The president and many democrats and republicans in congress believe that investment in infrastructure building infrastructure That's international interests on boost the. Us economy creates good paying union jobs. Heather a press secretary sake. They're sort of you. Know deflate deflected the issue really. But let's get to the core of what a reporter. Peter doocy is asking here where do The folks who stand to lose these jobs get replacement jobs right. Well that's a. It's kind of a difficult. I don't i don't think i have a very easy answer At a difficult question in any way just because it said. There's there's an assumption that somebody is going to go from pipeline to on a wind farm or something along those lines and it's a bit more complicated than that Obviously if you kill a construction project no matter what it is and there's some people that have a contract to to belabor on that The are no longer have that contract right. they have to look somewhere else. Another contract which is how pipeline workers. You know kinda string together. Their their jobs anyway Green jobs on a handed is something that you kind of promised to come As a part of this you know massive kind of investment that the president has has called for So it's not a tit for tat not an easy thing to say you lost your job. He lost his contract. Here you're going to get a contract here Which i think is is why. It's difficult to answer that. And what is the debate about. These keats sewn job or losses. We should stay represent i mean. What's the bigger picture here. I mean people are either on one side or the other depending on what their politics are. For the most part you know pipelines have become Just a very difficult topic People who don't really following gas or these kind of issues closely probably still have an opinion on whether or not the keystone excel pipeline to go through You know this is. This is a debate. That's going on this particular. Pop pipeline is a debate. That's been going on since two thousand eight when it was first proposed you know but folks kind of weighed in because if they have all these worries about climate change than they they don't want any more pipelines. They don't want any more crude move in from here to there And folks who are on the other side of it and support fossil fuel development into into the future. Say you know this is how you this how you get gasoline for your cars. You know you have to move it somehow. You're not being realistic. There's all these people that depend on this for jobs. So it's very difficult loggerheads in terms of people who feel one way about it and other way about it And keystone accel is just one of pipelines In one of the projects that kind of falls right in the middle of that that fight. Jason there are bring you into the conversation here because the keystone pipeline jobs is heather. Astutely points out are very specific types of jobs. As a specific industry there are other industries particularly in manufacturing That under president trump were sort of mayday at least a a a political priority for the president to hold onto because many of those jobs manufacturing jobs had also been in jeopardy. What's the historical context For those types of jobs and how they fared and places like detroit and pittsburgh. Well i think each community. Each part of the country has a has a slightly different history. I think in reference to detroit and pittsburgh we have to look at a history of deindustrialization In both places that was often not responded to with good policy and good public investment by elected officials. All right Bad trade policy economic policy in able Some of that indeed deindustrialization. So i think many workers many unions are rightly leery of any kind of transition whether we call it just transition or something else. The reality is that over the last several decades in particular. We have not seen a major economic shift whether it's globalization and offshoring of manufacturing or the gig of the economy that has been fair to workers and are we talking about specific kinds of workers. Jason are we talked because when we talk about green jobs to heather's point i think there and others are. I think the idea here is that these are jobs that we're creating a pipeline ford. Now that will ultimately result in employment down the road but the folks that are caught in the middle. Now i guess are what we're talking about right. Those folks that seem to get left behind not in some sort of future iteration of jobs.