Hippel, Director General, London discussed on BBC World Service


Service on pole Henley welcome back as usual this edition of weekend will be defined by its guests today on joined by current phone Hippel she is director general of the defense think tank Russi an independent defense and security research center here in London and mock Vernon a British psychotherapist and writer he's also a former Anglican priest welcome back to the program both of you you've written quite a lot mark about losing your fate haven't you I think you describe yourself agnostic now and then informs a loss of what you write yes so I certainly I was an Anglican clergyman and it all fell apart for me which Polly was to do with losing faith actually I have quite a powerful sense of the divine and think the all relationship to what you might call the spiritual dimension really is quite crucial in the modern world people feel it in the in our lives and also kind of the sense of what we're all about some what's politics really for animal so I can stick in the sense Austin questions but not in the sense of I don't think it's you know this much there is or in a life pondering it is something that pre occupies you the money yeah well I I feel that Mulder from what goes on in the world and the inside the headlines you might say results from a sense of discontent on ease and so is everybody yeah I think so I think we live in times like this now you know whether it's from climate change whether it's from the sense that politics isn't quite working I'm a crates powerful ripples of disturbance and the part of the web address in nice thinking about how you yourself relate to that Ralph and just constantly demanding that politicians all of its fix things for you Karen you were eight how do I put it a senior civil servant in the state see more job exactly what was a senior political appointee in the Obama administration so I wasn't a civil servant but you know the the vernacular is different in the in the US but yeah I worked there almost six years and it is interesting what mark saying actually because I do think that we need to be in my world of politics we need to look outside the usual suspects because I do think we don't understand this whole global populist movement very well we all have our theories about the marginalized in the alienated at sector but to me it it isn't explaining what's happening properly and I do think it's based on discontentment you know I don't know because you can find a contradictory explanation for prompt probably everything you know in America you're in danger of saying that everyone used to be content right well exactly and and by the way you know if everybody who is marginalized there were was not going out into the street you to pretty much every poor person in the world would be on the streets right so it isn't it isn't about that and many of the people who are protesting or supporting populace leaders are doing so because they don't like the changes that are happening but I don't think any of us understand it as well as we should that's that's my point more than anything it's early in the morning what it is but not everyone at wells on wells some people might be a little more awake than us at Malik do you think that there ever was a more contented to each other about that but I I do feel that we have lost a come the white a frame of reference sent in western Europe that's really what I'm talking about I suppose which helps to situate all lives and so people are skilled at all the market's sole politics basically to offer them salvation to to complete their lives to perfect their lives in ways I think didn't really happen before because people say had religious frames of reference all people have more an admin intimate connections with the local place and if you take those those two things why then life does feel on hooked doesn't mean if one goes on to the street incident I don't think it's always about poor people on there I think that a lot of people whose lives seem to be going well in a material sense or actually underneath it unit feeding the something's not quite right to tool okay nothing wrong with pondering the big questions even at six thirty six G. M. T. at welcome to weekend all guests Karin von Hippel and mauled Vernon much more from them to come into high winds presidential election yesterday the incumbent citing when finished well ahead of a main rival and won a second term in office tie one's relationship with China dominated the election with mist site campaigning against closer ties between the countries she pointed to recent protests in Hong Kong in a rejection of China's attempts to impose the same one country two systems model on tie when we join now live from the Taiwanese capital Taipei by Margaret Lewis she is a law professor at Sentinel Seton Hall University not sure which in the U. S. she specializes in Chinese and Taiwanese lore and she's been anti one specially for this election welcome professor the China issue was the big one and in this election it certainly was one of the main issues but I dislike many elections are of course domestic issues that were also at the forefront of the voters minds and this question about global populist movements what we saw in Taiwan yesterday was a clear rejection of the populist candidates the incumbent is is a liberal isn't she certainly and Far East and turns I think she was the first in that Boston part of the world to introduce gay marriage or equivalent I think that the the Democratic Progressive Party president size party and the opposition and the KMT party do not map clearly on to the sort of at least American ideas some of the Democrats or Republicans but she did pave the way for the introduction of same sex marriage although that was prompted by a decision by the Constitutional Court so there we saw the court's really insisting that there be a change because of constitutional requirements so priority now presumably for her at term in office will be distancing from China how possible cannot be well there's already been a distancing and certainly the first four years of ties time in office we've seen a cooling in relations compared with the mining show error her predecessor however you know that's not just because of changes in Taiwan in fact I think there's been much more drastic changes and what has happened in Beijing sense the mind Joe time she didn't hang as a very different leader than what we had ten years ago there was a lot of attention on Hong Kong and a lot of time when he's with thinking what happens that could very soon happen to us one day what one thing that was really interesting to watch last night at the rallies and other times in Taiwan is that you actually see the Hong Kong protest flags being flown here and people have come over from Hong Kong even though they could not vote to be a part of that the celebration around this free and fair election certainly Hong Kong the protests and the erosion of civil and political rights was at the forefront of voters minds yesterday thank you very much Margaret Lewis in Taipei I believe Karen you've met the president is that right yes I've been to Taiwan a couple times in the last few years so we do some work on that receipt I'm definitely not East Asia expert but it's been fascinating for me to to see some changes and as you were saying the relationship with China is incredibly complicated there what what one thing that's it sounds a bit trite but both China and Taiwan are playing the long game with each other so China slowly strangling Taiwan and trying to block diplomatic recognition by even very very small countries that most people haven't heard of date you know get upset at companies like delta airlines or Hollywood films or or others who miss represent the name of Taiwan they you know they don't like I think it Republic of China I can remember the terminology but the Chinese government gets upset and so puts tons of pressure on companies when they do that which to me is a sign of insecurity on the Taiwan side they're hoping that there are democratic institutions over the long term you know will win and that China might change and it's very hard to say right now who's going to win and just to tune in to your discontent public discontent themed one of the interesting things mark about about this election was a love the the Taiwanese economy is actually doing very well it's firmly in growth the gap between rich and poor is widening usually as it is in so many countries is interesting to note yes so that grates on ease because people look across the shoulders of where I'm wondering when it's going to come to them I also wonder how it will play back into Hong Kong how this result in Taiwan will play back into Hong Kong if the people inside Taiwan looking for looking at home Kong recent elections perhaps I'm getting some some energy from that that maybe it'll play back to let's go to a country now wet populism plays very large in politics Hungary will provide free in vitro fertilization IVF treatments to couples at state to run clinics prime minister Viktor Orban has announced he said fertility was all strategic importance last month his government took over all Hungary's fertility clinics Mister Goldman whose of right wing nationalist has long advocated eight procreation over immigration policy to deal with the fact that the population of Hungary is firmly in decline we join now life from Hungary's capital Budapest by Valerie Hopkins Financial Times correspondent for southeastern Europe welcome Valerie so as long as you're born and bred Hungarian you can now get free fertility treatment then how will they actually vets people and check good morning well there's still a lot that's that's unknown about this program which is going to be rolling out already from the first of February it's had kind of a chaotic rollout first when it was announced late last month I thought it might happen already January first then in the summer so I think that to be honest they're still working out a lot of the details but if it's anything like some of the other incentives that the Hungarian government has put forward in the last few years for to encourage young people and to encourage nearly what couples to be married I think it would be quite restrictive and probably only open to members of the middle class who's been paying into public insurance schemes already for years what these other incentives tell us about them so last year actually if the government announced a whole raft of incentives for young couples to encourage them to to reproduce so one of them was a loan worth thirty thousand euros basically for for couples and the loan would be steadily forgiven them if you had up to three children when it would be fully forgiven another big subsidies for larger families to purchase new mini vans that would have capacity to seat up to seven people.

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