Shawn, February, Carl Hart discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network


Com to find those rooms and get the instructions on how to join that service. So dr carl hart. He's a neuroscientist. He is a professor at columbia university and he wrote a book drug use for grown ups. And it sounds like it's a really interesting book. He talks a lot about people. You know being able to make choices for themselves long as they don't harm others and he's really doing an interesting job of kind of taking down some of the mythology surrounding a lot of these drugs and drug overdoses specifically addresses opium overdoses and says that a lot of the people who are being reported as an overdose. Lot of drug deaths That are reported as opiate. Overdoses may have involved. Opiates but they also involved a lot of other drugs. There were other drugs that were found in the systems of the people who died from so-called. Opiates and then they just chuck them up either in the media or the government for whatever propaganda purposes and called it an opiate death so Certainly what we've seen during cova indicates that they have no problems lying falsifying that kind of data for political advantage though absopure. So he's being interviewed by sean illing from dot com and illing says you mentioned spain austria and a couple of other countries that have any of these places emulated the fully the drug model. You'd like to see in the us and if so. What were the results. Carl hart responds by saying at the moment. No country has legally regulated. All the drugs discussed in my book. I think several countries are on the right track including portugal and switzerland ultimately and by the way now oregon with decriminalization of all personal amounts of all drugs in oregon Which happened starting in february. So it's now been like three weeks That's the first hotspot yet interesting. And of course the problem remains in until they've eliminated eliminated the laws and eliminated any lacing regime that they may have. They're still having a war on drugs. I it still needs to be legal to buy. Sell grow manufacturers regulated keira ship. Shoot all of these. Things should be legal But but allowing individual people to to have some personal of drugs is still a good step in the right direction. And that's what they are doing in portugal and he goes on to say that ultimately it would be ideal for countries to regulate drugs. People seek in a similar way. That alcohol is regulated. I disagree lately out Want to see what if you're libertarian. If you're a liberty minded person what you want to see happen is not regulation by government but by the free market but by allowing the market actors to come up with their own standards for manufacturer to come up with their. Because you you know you have these things in areas where government is not involved like in your computer field for instance there are certifications and some certifications are better than others and more respected than others. They're not all legally mandated. Almost none of them are i. Don't think right. None of them are mean as legally required to be certified to do. I mean. sec. Certifications are talking for hardware. Yeah okay programming. Pure a legacy totally an programming. Yeah totally unregulated. Computer services So or you know you can look at other industries for instance in the restaurant business. Yes there are regulations health regulations but a lot of restaurants. Go much higher than that. They have their own set of standards Whether they be provided by the franchise co. whatever the corporations providing a franchise to somebody they usually have a set of standards Some companies they hire serve safe and others certify their Their employees so they know that they know how to handle things safely in the kitchen. And things like that so you know. They're the market can provide these things underwriters laboratories for examples another great example of the market. Doing its own kind of self-regulation. Yeah and the unfortunate thing is you know. People don't think about the cost of regulation. Two random others you know the the. There's a lot of people who are homeless today. Who would not be homeless. If there were fewer regulations on what kind of home you could rent. What kind of home you could build. What the amenities half have to be right. Maybe somebody would rather sleep in a room with fewer windows than are permitted by law. Then sleep under a bridge. But he can't afford that many windows and however many windows. The landlord builds. That's going to be reflected in the rent. Yeah one of the things. I wanna point out to. You is that people think things are regulated often the regulated and then certain companies get like exceptions to them or something along that lines. I can think of some great examples like they had some exceptions for computers is imported a computer. You have to pay duty on delivery but if you assembled. Computers in the united states from parts all his parts duties but none of the computers themselves with an incur. Those costs whereas if you just imported the full computer it wouldn't incur those costs and what they basically did was the only companies that were affected. Were the companies who were small businesses actually operating in the united states. Bring jobs to the united states and the whole idea what the duties in the first place where the tariffs is to bring jobs back to united states. But you've literally put people out of work and shut the small businesses that actually are operating here. Shawn asks carl hart. So why do you think it's important for divorce or to divorce addiction from drugs. He says addiction has everything to do with concurrent illnesses. Someone may have pain issues. Not being treated or schizophrenia or anxiety or depression. People with these conditions are far more likely to become addicted. They have to approach drug use very differently from people who don't have these conditions. So that's one thing and another thing is how we talk about people in say the rust belt where the opioid crisis has hit especially hard so many of these people used to be employed in factories. That have been shipped other countries or scale back. These are middle-class jobs. And now they're gone so you people who lost their role in society whose life has been drained of meaning and that's what drives addiction whether it's for alcohol or opiates and then you have people who just aren't mature enough to use drugs responsibly. When i was younger he says i did a lot of stupid stuff and probably met the criteria for being an alcoholic but as i developed and learned skills that changed so if we're concerned about drug addiction. In general we have to focus on the root causes marrying drugs and addiction leads to focusing on drugs and intern hiring more cops who cannot deal with the underlying problem. We've seen this so many times. Where a person who has these underlying problems they get arrested and now they got more problems and it hasn't solved there are underlying problems was it probably made those problems worse now. They don't have the job. They might have had a job before they got arrested. They didn't show up at work the day after they got arrested. They got fired. Oh they've been in jail for the last two months. Guess what you just lost your apartment and you know. This is the thing You know everybody's always out to punish people you know to try and solve a problem and usually punishment doesn't solve the problem it just makes it worse What you really want to focus on is minimization of harm. And you know that applies across the board whether we're talking drugs or pretty much anything else. There's going to be harmed society and you know punishment. What's that gonna do okay. So you got revenge on somebody who really help society. Helping great yeah. Nobody has interacted with addicts on a regular basis. Can rationally make the argument that the problem is. They're not suffering enough all all right. We're gonna help you putting you in a jail. Cell no it. What is the goal these people you know. It's always interesting to ask the goal of these people. It's very simple. They want to protect big pharma's turf.

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