Ulysses Grant, Professor Adam Carrington, Hillsdale College discussed on Hugh Hewitt
Hillsdale dialogue sponsored by Hillsdale College, and for many, many years, I have sat down and chatted with Dr Larry on President Hillsdale College and one of his team or two of his team. And today we are joined by Professor Adam Carrington. Because I'm going to talk about Grant. I don't know if Dr Oren is with us, but I know that all things he'll tail are at hill tail dot et you and I know that Professor Carrington is here. Good morning, Professor. How are you? I'm doing very well. Hope you're too I am. I want to give you the background as to why we jumped ahead. I asked a doctor aren't to set up a conversation about Grant. I was talking this week with a former member of the Cabinet who is reading extensively on the lives of three people. Nelson Mandela, Carl Gustaf a meal manner, Heym. Put Finland back together again twice and grant because this individual believes we're in a period of political conflict, not unlike that which came in reconstruction. So I started to Iran chair now biography, which is magnificent. I learned more about Grant in about five hours of listening than I knew. How did you come to make Grant a study? Well, it really came from my study of the court during Reconstruction. I had been looking at Steven Field, a Lincoln appointee to the court that was there for all of grants Administration. And who had and a lot of it came from me looking at how the court did good a good or bad job, depending upon the case of enforcing civil rights for African Americans in the south and forcing the new 14th amendment. And it drove drove me really over to grant because Unlike some of the older histories, I started to see how much the executive branch had been more than I think, the judicial active and vigorous and taking on what was a really monumental task, which is How do you protect the future and the rights of the freed slaves after having been in bondage as long as they had an after Now dealing with what was at that time, really a horrible situation in the reconstruction South with facing terror facing Mobs and lynchings and and how much the Grant administration really did Maura than it means in trying to do so that that really pushed me into a study of him having looked at how another branch I think didn't do as good a job and provides a Carrington. Have you read the chair now biography? I have. It's been a little bit, but I thought it was as usual with him. He is such a good storyteller, and I think it's a good in a line of works that are trying to rehabilitate Grant from the reputation that he had had as president for a very long time. That's it's It's quite a revelation to me. We're joined now by Dr on Good Morning, Dr Arnall things he'll downhill tell Dot e d u Did we wake you up when we get you out of bed? I'm sorry about that. It's eight o'clock that I was a little late, calling that and because I was Board. Look, How did you know Grant a lot better than I know Grant. But did you esteem grant prior to this rarely fairly recent reconsideration of his presidency. Yeah. So I have loved Ulysses Grant since I was a boy, which is a really hard thing I grew up in Arkansas. Uh and I always thought he was just cats me out. I read a lot of books about him as a kid. And I think he was a better general than some given credit. For all those of very fine is, Adam says Chernow biography improves his reputation in that regard. And then the reconstruction stuff. That's just shines. In my opinion. I think he just he did. As well as a man could do And you know that's very difficult problem, of course, and it you know, generations trying to get trying to fix it. But he was And he was tough, You know, I mean some of his Confederate general adversaries, especially Nathan Bedford, Forrest. They were achieve obstacles to reconstruction, and he just fought him. Well, you missed the beginning when I told Professor Carrington that this and this might take a couple of weeks I was talking to a former senior member of the administration Cabinet member. About the political situation We're in this week, and this individual told me he is reading Mandela. He's reading Karl Gustav Emil manner Heym, who had never heard of who put Finland together twice after wars, and he's reading and grant and reconstruction, and that he esteems grant greatly and that was news to me. S so I picked up chair now and I am I'm pretty impressed with just the first five hours. So Professor Carrington, will you set the scene for us? After the war ends because reconstruction is what happens after APPA Matics. Right. It's it's amazing how little often in our public discourse. We talk about that era, given how much we speak of the Civil war itself. And you have a a catastrophic event where Lincoln had called in 18 61 for us, uh, not replaced full, Uh, Attempted to appeal the ballots, not bullets to settle our differences, and it didn't work. We had the bloodiest war as far as American casualties we've ever had. And so one of the questions after you do that in the civil War Especially a civil war, where you're facing where you're trying to put the country back together, not just separate from another another country is how do you return to politics? After that. And you have this amazing vindication of the Union against rebellion and the Declaration of Independence and its principles of Freedom and liberty with the enshrining of the 13th amendment. But you that leaves lots of unresolved questions because the South had a long tradition of slavery. It was a very proud people on and certainly with its virtue with their virtues and There. What? What are you going to do for the newly freed men down there? It's one thing to declare a slavery illegal. It's one thing to even win a war. But how do you patch the country back together? How do you protect federalism when the country is that just vindicated the sovereignty of the nation? And again that I think that the most pressing Woz how do you? How do you make it to the South is a place where African Americans can be equal citizens under law equal participants in the political process..