ROY, Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher discussed on Think 100%: The Coolest Show


Next day respect information education read nick around dot now. The world is not hit by all right. Well i am so excited for this interview. Because i have my dear sister. I only climb and she is an amazing award. Winning journalist cowardice in author Of the new york times in international bestseller's No logo decide doctrine. This changes everything. No is not enough and on fire. She is which have been translated into thirty languages. And for me. I love because they are also audible books which have been just enjoying listening to them as well so my sister how are you. I'm i am good. I'm really glad to see you and talk to you and visit with you. Know i mean yeah nice. Good him you got to get into. And i know from our world. You are a well-known professor writer. A i guess a climate celebrity in some aspects. Because of this to work you do But for folks who might not know you please audience who is my only clients. I'm sure well yeah as you said. I write books. That's the main thing. I do A written about a bunch of them. now And i've been writing about climate change for the past. Fifteen years i came to my earlier. Work was around economic justice. Human rights racial justice My first book was called no logo and it was about the rise of corporate power and how that was impacting workers Artists leading to precarity In all kinds of precariousness in in all in all kinds of ways and And then i started. And i think this is sort of. Maybe where we first connected. I started writing about the imposition of brutal economic policies. Through shocks through through war era. I started writing about the invasion of iraq. And i and i developed this framework called disaster capitalism. Where the shock doctrine to cry a process of using large scale shocks to push through privatization deregulation brutal economic austerity. that hurts the poor. Most of all And that brought me to new orleans In the aftermath of hurricane katrina and so. I never saw myself as like an environmental writer or climate change person but katrina kind of pulled me in taught me a bunch of lessons really fast about the intersection of climate. Change capitalism's White supremacy as it did so many people who who saw that that disaster unfold in in such profoundly unjust ways no actually. I didn't know that angle. I mean i knew that angle. Because you're right for those listening. I i actually am a member of veterans for peace and i am also number of iraq. Veterans against the war was a former officer in the air force. Who spoke out against the iraq west where i met my dear sister and that life and then as i went from the war to nor warming we have we. I saw her work in regards to my home state of louisiana and saw definitely with her work in regards to shock doctrine. In regards to new orleans in the in in your viewpoint was incubating choose. The climate crisis was inconvenient. Truth white supremacy of both. I think it was bowls and underlying both the victim. The most inconvenient truth of all for elites was that you couldn't addressed the climate crisis without simultaneously upending the whole system. And so i think this stage of the climate movement that was kind of embodied by that film by the inconvenient truth was climate movement still in in its own state of denial right. Because it was like. Here's this huge crisis. But first here's a look. Here's a pie chart. And if you change your light bulbs here and you introduced fuel-efficiency there will just get this thing done in this really technocratic way you're barely notice it as our body. Roy says you know how with class environmentalism the question. how do we change without changing And so i think that the inconvenient truth that even the inconvenient truth wasn't willing to confront back in that came out in two thousand six thousand seven was actually knows. It's not going to be technocratic solutions. It's going to be going to the deep deep roots of that intersection between capitalism white supremacy. What cedric robinson. called racial capitalism that created the climate crisis and and all of the other crises. That are intersecting with this. No i i agree. And i think about it. And we looked back your your. Your work was prophetic In many ways What we in a new moment as you know. And then your work you have laid out the path to break down disaster capitalism and it's designed to immobilize and exploit so as many are still celebrating a new regime in the biden harris administration. Can you breakdown how. The doctrine played out in your expensive multiple crises. The pandemic sold on the poor black communities and the environment and how would the sack doctrine playing right now especially for the most marginalized sure lots of ways just to like just to be clear about what we mean by the shock doctrine. So this is the shock. Doctor refers to a strategy a theory of power. Which i argue has been very much in play over the last half century. Where we've seen the rise of this really am gloves off form of capitalism that is sometimes called neoliberalism afraid which is identified with ronald reagan and margaret thatcher in the uk and this was just Just the capitalism without the sort of bones thrown to working people right That.

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