Ninety Percent, Forty Hours, California discussed on This Week in Startups


They put into the system and rate drivers in great careers and there are some not so great drivers and not so great careers who then designed to self select to do something else. So that's one of the cool things about an open system use sensually earn relative to your productivity as well but the flexibility is by far the most important factor. Yeah and it now if you look at it there was this whole concept that if uber drivers are lift driver's door drivers or any ridesharing drivers were going to be classified as employees. Well what about hairdressers and real estate brokers and freelance writers. I'm in the media business. A lot of The same publications that were giving ride sharing companies hard time. My friendship bank off runs. Vox had to cancel because had some of those rights had to cancel every freelancer in california. Because if the freelancer worked over x. Number of hours now triggered full-time and it cost chaos. So they just opted out of that market so where is the united states as a country and obviously uber endured ash. I think are kind of having to navigate this most of all. Where are we with this archaic system where either full time or you're a freelancer. But with this caveat. If you're a freelancer and unless you're you know got a really great lobby or you're an elite freelance like a real estate person. You're you can have freedom but the people may be who are. Starting their chris can have freedom. It seems incredibly un-american to me that people can make their choice but putting that aside is there a third way. That's better that's what we always talked about in the early days of uber was there has to be a third way here because you know that would seem more equitable. Maybe if somebody works over twenty or thirty hours. I know you've been reading on this pretty hard. And that's that's actually that's third way is what we're trying to shake now and to a large extent. That was what prop twenty two in california was all about. Which is how do you retain the best of both worlds right the the really cool thing about being your own boss. You're the ceo of yourself and you get to be totally flexible based on when where how you were based on productivity. They're good times to work right there. Good ways to work as well. But how do you combine that with some of the important elements of kuala traditional work which is a safety net protection healthcare coverage etc and. That's what we call an icy plus ashes the uk. There's a third designation. There's there's worker designation. And then there's fulltime employee and worker is is essentially an icy plus pension benefits some vacation benefits etc and in the uk we have designated drivers essentially workers. And now we are in the process of having discussions really on a state by state level is a needs. Every states needs are different. These are workers in the states to hopefully come up with us. Third model flexibility of an i see the freedom of an i see with protections whether it's minimum wage or a fun for healthcare or other benefits as well and i think it is the better way forward it takes time you know Government sometimes move slowly but by design. But i do think this is a better way forward and pretty optimistic independent contractor status with me if i hit a certain benchmark is there a certain benchmark. You're thinking because i think the average number of hours for full time employment is two thousand pretty easy if you wanna do this at home. Fifty two hours a week. Forty hours twenty eight years the number of hours per year. So if somebody did one thousand forty hours that would be halftime. Therefore they could get half the benefits as a full-time person doesn't seem so difficult for us to comprehend. We're actually not looking at it benchmark because to some extent but he picked twenty hours thirty hours forty hours. I think those are the kind of picking it out of your at indexing right. Which is if you work funny hours. And ninety percent of drivers for example work less than forty hours right like the vast majority of drivers the vast majority of couriers were far less than forty hours but basically index the benefits based on. How long you and the other. I think cool idea. Is you pull together the hours that you put into all the platforms. Hopefully it's an ideology benefits. Which i think is really cool right. Which is hey if you if it's just based on how long you worked for one company And how many hours you uber or door should cetera. That's one solution. It's and it's not a bad solution. I think that's some are gonna go in that direction. There's another concept which is portable benefits. That if you work hours over. Let's say ten hours on lift. You actually get benefits worth of twenty hours so that freedom to to work with multiple platforms. I think both ideas are good ideas. And hopefully you know depending on a state by state level which is the right idea. We'll go forward that way. Yeah and i think people are forgetting that you are one hundred percent dependent on drivers. There is no business without drivers. It's in your best interest. In fact i would think it's your obsession to make this a better to for them than other opportunities they might be presented is am i correct in thinking that your competition is people working at a starbucks or a target or walmart versus deciding to be an icy or an icy plus code totally and and drivers are our customers right. We have a driver app. We we run that app just like we run our rider app and it's in our interest to track the customer to give them a great experience for their earnings.

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