Rocky Killian, Indiana, Abdul discussed on Abdul at Large
WIBC. Well, was a busy week at the legislature with respect to issues regarding education. And so we thought by my good friend and sparring partner just an Oakley on what he does the podcast. Just let me teach also has little television online presence as well that he gets lots of guests talking to education. I was actually on there about a week or so ago suggested my friend always you here. Thanks for being with us. Thanks for having me back. Okay. My friend. Well, let's talk about a little bit about teacher. Pay governor Holcomb unveiled his budget today. Sort of saying this is not the final product. But at least at initial start offering up sixty million dollars over the next couple of years four dollars at hopefully be used for teacher, pay thirty million bucks a year ten million and tax credits for teachers for school supplies, another twenty million dollars that they hope will turn into salaries is that a good start. Well, something I'm sure a lot of people are going to say, no. But probably not in the last decade of what's being cut and all that. But it's it's it's it's anything going into the direction towards teacher pay is a good thing. But as far as I've seen so far a lot of people are very questionable about that. And we can talk about oh, rocky Killian statement that he put out there that you'd like to do that too. Well, well, here's the thing that that understand. And and you and I've talked about this before it's been interesting to get your perspective in front of our audience is why I guess I guess my question is how much how much of a raises a razor people looking for. I mean, that's that's one thing. I don't understand because you know, the governor said, hey, you know, we're start with this number. But you know, how much of a raise do people want. What I like somebody to do it. This session is just I think it would take about five minutes is to take a salary schedule from two thousand eight to two thousand ten and show where teachers were add on a salary schedule in that time period versus where they. They would be today if that salary schedule and laws had not been changed to show you why people are upset and where they've been cap. So for example, many school districts that are they have not seen pay rages. So if you look at like, Gary, Indiana, for example, I don't think they've had I'm pretty sure that group of teachers has had a raise in a decade. And then you got rural schools that haven't seen an increase in salary and almost ten years. So are some schools doing? Okay. Yes. That's why I think there's so convoluted you you you on the show also week or so ago, we talked about this as well. Until everybody's eating out of the same Dempster, you'll be different different effects here. But in any direction of getting more money towards a teacher pay teacher salary. And we also address that Abdul just because they say fifty percent of the budget goes to school is doesn't mean that any of that all that goes to teachers now one things that the House Republicans talked about this past week was. Passing legislation that would wouldn't necessarily mandate. But but encouraged I'm using air quotes here encourage schools, suspend eighty eighty-five percent on their operational revenue that they get from the state on teachers salaries and speaker till the some school districts, basically, look there were like ninety ninety percent already there. Some. But we're we're way below shouldn't. We at the very least old friend before we start talking about more money for schools. You know, like like, we tell our kids like, what are you? What are you spending your money on right now? And maybe they're maybe we can find a few dollars there. Perhaps. But I think this is again, this is a this is a convoluted very difficult discussion. And I'm glad you, and I have continued to have this for almost going on eight years. I misspoke again Abdul on our show last week. Ran for superintendent. I'm all eight years ago. It was a it was a cut and dried in remember all these new laws and all this new funding was supposed to make things more transparent more cut and dry and better at I contend that. It has not most people now that the the SS hit the fan on a school. Budgeting. Hey, rocky Killian said just a couple of days ago super ten of the year. Rocky Killian this he found one hundred and eighty million dollars doing three things cut. My step cutting. I read and cutting vouchers. Okay. Oh, that's triple what the governor found for two years. He founded in one swoop funny, you bring that up because just so people know, by the way, our guest today is our good friend. Justin, Oakley does the the blog and podcast. Just let me teach ours kind of old education sparring partners what we love to get together. And have our have our discussions. I was interesting because I remember seeing that same column in the Fort Wayne journal journal gazette if I remember either journalists enter journal courier one of the one of the two part of the problem. Here's here's here's here's part of the issue. Here is part of the problem the testing, whether it's no step. I read is mandated by the federal government. No for terms of accountability. So I guess my question is where where do you? How do you get the accountability? Okay. Stop spending money on testing. But if it's mandated by the federal government is that really the state of Indiana's issue or should the superintendent other superintendents Gobi talking to their elected officials saying, hey, alleviate some of these mandatory testing that you're having us to whether it was under no child left behind or every student succeeds. And then that will leave you some of that burden. Or? Yeah. Racist topper every student succeeds or no child left behind or the layers of alphabet soup said both parties have passed federally. That's a good question. I'd do that they seem to just keep passing the buck on the anytime. We talk about testing, I think if you went to everyday average users and said, look, clearly a.