"I'm here at Tripoli as annual meeting with Jada, Ben Torres and associate professor of anthropology at Vanderbilt University with a specialty in genetic other policy. She talked today on how to use bio social approaches to address health concerns. Thanks so much for joining me today. Jada you quite welcome. Happy to be here. You're talk was in a session that centered around the shifting boundaries between Ray sex and jeans. How exactly is your research area fit into this topic? I work at these intersections between biological and social factors in thinking about how that alters human experience. So oftentimes we are taught and actually sometimes we teach models that are not necessarily Representative of the reality of most people's experience. So a lot of my work. I think about how do we account for the variation that we know is out there. How do we account for that in our studies in the work that we do to try and make sense of things like health and disease community? The identity, etc. The health disparity that you focused on your presentation was urine five rights. Also known as you f which are benign tumors found in the uterus. Could you describe how prevalent these uterine fibroids are and what health disparity you were trying to describe so uterus fibroids again? These benign tumors that grow in the uterus or super common by the time. Women hit menopause so into their forties and fifties upwards of maybe seventy seventy seven percent of women have them of those women who have them a significantly smaller portion may be a third of them actually develop it to the point where they go to the doctor where it becomes clinically relevant. This particular condition, it has profound effects on quality of life issues, sometimes painful, periods are associated with it, excessive bleeding inability to become pregnant or to carry pregnancies to term it. It's just a real really big issue the gold standard for the cure. If you will for fibers hysterectomy for a lot of women. That's extremely. Invasive and just it's not acceptable. There's a variety of risk factors associated with with fiber would. So some of this has to do with like body mass index abusively age diet, thereby logical mechanisms that can help to explain, you know, well, you know, this particular diet might have KOMO effects on the body which then caused five Royds, but there's one risk factor. That's listed pretty consistently at least in in US literature, and that's black race specifically. And as a anthropologists on always found this sort of unsettling. I never understood how something that cannot be biologically defined. So in this case race how it can have in effect on biology's like when you tell someone. Hey, you're belong to this race. You're more sick. Because of it. There's no mechanisms to explain what's actually making you sick. So in my own work. I'm interested in unpacking. Would we love anthropology, but unpacking? What that means? What is it about being a member of any particular race that makes you more prone to one disease verse another right Kaz taking a genetic test? And seeing that you have a certain ancestry doesn't mean. Okay. Now, I'm definitely going to get this disease or something like that. Right. There has to be very deliberate important moves to move away from genetic determinism that your genes are not fade. There's a lot of interviewing intervening factors of that shape. Various outcomes and experiences for people biologists. And sociologists both have different definitions of race in your approach you describe as a bio social approach. So what does that mean it has that reconciled between the two different definitions that people kind of operate with with race? There are two different sort of working definitions that you see among social sciences versus by medical scientists. I would I note that overall I think scientists have good intentions, the ideas to alleviate human suffering, but we do tend to get sometime silent into particular ways of thinking about human variation in my research, attempting to sort of bridge this gap to be attentive to social factors of. How we understand and experience human variation? But also recognizing that their biological variation, Israel, and you know, potentially has some influence on on health outcomes. So what I try and do it in my work is to really think about how do I bring these two schools of thought together? How do I meaningfully explore? What human variation means being attentive to both social"