Sidney Gabrielle Colette, Gabriel Fatima, Willie discussed on BBC World Service
Me in the studio to talk about his latest work. Stop and search is playwright Gabriel by the mercy. We also welcome back critic Maryann Johanson before we hear from Kevin nightly. Can I ask you both in light of injury Selbe playing an animal, and this is our Facebook question to the your favorite actor in an animal role. Marianna I'll come to you. I it's really tough because with the rise of animated cartoons. There's so many good choices are. But I think I'm gonna go with Eddie Murphy as donkey in Shrek interesting because I think we got for you those on Facebook as well, any any particular reason, why the donkey spoke to you this is so lively and repressive, he's just a fun character and Eddie Murphy's brilliant. Excellent. Gabriel was about we'll give that interests Elbert voiced shit. Come in the remake of the jungle book, I have to say much as I enjoyed that. The original George Saunders is the voice of the British Raj. Majestic collusive malevolent. I thought that was irreplaceable. You were almost doing an all do. For a voiceover yourself there. And we thoroughly enjoyed it. One of the baboons. Keira Knightley first then star of many historical trauma, and her new movie collect is about the iconic French author Sidney Gabrielle Colette the film set at the turn of the twentieth. Century tells the story of a woman from a simple rural background who is a wonderful writer, but has to hide that in a voice and talent Colette. Mary's a charismatic and dominant Peruvian writer who's known as Willie played by Dominic west and Willie takes the credit for her first four novels. The film is about Colette claiming her voice and stepping out from behind the shutters of a man, his ecliptic give you a sense of the film. We need. Another writer with what not even making a thousand this month. I've got three hundred from the echo four twenty-five Malaysia's bump novel and just to fifty from the music reviews. He doesn't even cover the outgoing spent so much money mortgage. Mathilde restaurants, always pick up the Bill will no matter how many people join us. It's expected on and the races and the casino du monk repes-. No. I'm just saying we could economize you. You could write what those stores you told me of San Severo last year my school story. Yes. That could be well his next novel. Karen, nightly spoke to the BBC's Edith Bowman and told her what attracted her to the role of Colette. I'd heard of her because my mom had been. He's a writer had been hugely influenced by I'd actually only read two of her novels. Yes. Cherie in the last two Cherie, which if you haven't read you should totally read 'cause they're peaceful novels, but I need nothing about her life up taking nothing about this first marriage. So I just got description for oh, it's really interesting when you get a period film, and you think well, this feels so modern, you know, it's talking about gender, politics and such. Politics, and everything that is still very relevant today. And we're still trying to figure out, but it was set one hundred years ago. Plus, there's a celebrity couple aspect to it 'cause Colette and Willie were very much the pinnacle of Parisian society, which at that point was culturally, the center of the world, and they were this celebrity couple that I mean ended up selling soap and selling. I mean, everything that you sort of imagine from a celebrity couple today with Instagram selling wherever they compare. Violent couple of. Kind of is. Sort of left that because it's something that you totally think is such a modern phenomenon. Yeah. And actually isn't a tool I think people would assume that he kind of took everything from heart and go everything from her. She very much to Kalat from him as well. I think she was very clever woman. I don't know if she would've been what she became without him. Eventually, it was a relationship that didn't work and she gets out. But actually, you know at the beginning she is helped by she was edited by him. He gave her a kind of entrance into a society that was sort of beyond imagination. Yeah. We've all had relationships that haven't worked. But there's been moments where they've been amazing. And I think as far as my playing with Dominic west who plays Willie to understand why they were together to understand why they were amazing when they were amazing. And then you have to be on her side to say need to get out of this relationships, a complex beasts they and that's what I loved about. This film was it dealt with the complexity that it wasn't simply one just taking from the other that there was some give and take. But essentially she needed to get out, and she did and one person that encouraged to do that with her mother. I almost feel that there's another film. There is another film, and that we were desperate to get more of that relationship into the film, and it sort of you feel like with collects life. If you do you read any biography about correct, you could make a whole crowd like series about and particularly because the mother was not what you imagine a mother of that period to be she always felt that her daughter was genius. She always knew her husband was using her. And she was the first one. So you need to divorce him. And that's not what you imagine. A woman of. Over one hundred years ago and say she absolutely adored had gender non conforming lover. She loved Missy. And she wanted her to go off with her anything. Wow. That's a really this is an interesting woman. What do you form a decision on? What makes you say? Yes to do. What makes you see? Yes. The next product. It's pre- instant in fact, as if I have to think about it, then it's no. But ultimately on the story. I know exactly when I found out. I just never know what I'm looking for quite tricky. It's a physical reactions reaction. Yes. Like, an absolute. Yes. Karen, nightly and colitis probably on a big screen somewhere near you. My guests on today's our playwright Gabriel Fatima and film critic, Mary and Johansen. Well, we heard care not talking about collects mother Marianne. Let's talk about mothers on film. Sally. Is this an unusual thing to see? Well, especially the fact that both the present and cure nightly focused in on this mother role. Well, it's really unusual. There are plenty of films about mothers and mothers and daughters. But there are almost none that I can think of that are about mothers of artistic or creative daughters movies about artists. We hardly ever see particularly their childhood where presumably their environment growing up and the influence of their parent. Particularly the mother must. Have a huge influence on creating a creative child. The something we hardly ever see depicted onscreen, and it's actually in the big interactions with Colette and her mother in the film are much later in her life when it's really about her encouraging her in her relationship, which is important too. But it's it's less about the work, except in the sense of she should go out and do the work and claim her name for herself. I mean, the the thing that we tend to see a lot of is dysfunctional relationships. I always thinking of Carrie Fisher and her mother of postcards from the edge. And that was fraud. Wasn't it? Yeah. That makes better viewing on some level. It's a lot more dramatic, and we want drop how sure way Gabriel tell me about the importance of mothers in the creation of an artist. What was yours like among was lovely. She was an Irish woman and she loved watching American films and so much of my childhood in the sixties and early seventies was spent on Saturday afternoons watching could a wide range of American films that will come on television. And. Remember that? There was a difference between us I kinda felt manipulated by films in complained fissiparous. And she said, you're not getting it. And so after world I can have stopped and tried to get hurt take on these films. And actually, she wasn't following the standard Hollywood kind of identify with the hero overcome obstacle and become this kind of successful American model person. She was looking at edges of the films of lightened shade moments of feeding and she would speak with me afterwards is the light was going down. We've never turn the light on afterwards. Once we turn the television off, and they're in the dog, it was acclaimed of breathing between us the breathing engagement of storytelling and of analysis was between. My mother remain. I suppose really made me the kind of storyteller the. Yeah. Definite. And the poet. You're listening to the answer on the BBC World Service. If you asked me he was the most talked about young actor of the last eighteen months, there's only one name Timothy Shalimar. He's the twenty two year old New Yorker who starred in last year's call me by your name and can currently be seen in the incredibly powerful film. Beautiful. Boy, it tells the real life story of a family struggling to help that addict son and the sons agonizing journey through addiction and sobriety an addiction. Again, you get the idea. Beautiful boy is based on two books. The first beautiful boy a father's journey through. His sons addiction was written by the journalist, David Sheff and the second tweak growing up on methamphetamines was written by his son. Nick chef Steve Carell plays the father Timothy plays. Nick, the BBC's Antonio quick asked the actor how he approached the role was human in my experience with him in real life is full of light. It has an incredible sense of humor. And it's joyous as well as a lot of other stuff. But I felt there's a stereotype a misconception about addiction and drugs so much what the movie gets at that. It's other or that he can't affect you can't affect your family when the reality is is very human disease. It doesn't discriminate more time. I spent visiting rehabs more time, I spent visiting meetings more, I realized oh, this is everywhere. And I don't mean that in a stark way either. But sometimes you go to meetings or any other programs people have years of sobriety. And they're not gonna fairs that are presented in pop culture. But rather he's uplifting moments where people are filled with gratitude that they're saving their lives. There are some scenes when you're re very very high. Indeed. Well, I think it's the job any actor. I mean for playing substance use you I don't know what the part of like acting school or something. And I know they're sequences movie worm higher methamphetamine or high on heroin, and those are obviously two different highs. And I was fortunate enough to. Have people to talk to you there you've gone through this. A drug adviser onset to make sure everything looked right. You know, some of the best scenes of the scenes when you're pretending not to be high. And I wondered because some of that is very subtle. And how you gauge that. I mean, do you watch yourself back? What's happening? I mean, I'm really grateful that those scenes work for you. But I think it's less me going to the monitor recalculating what I'm doing which is I've seen actors be able to do that. But that's really not my MO, basically, like the trial out of stuff. I just like to see how things play out if things feel unnatural maybe the energy that have a room or maybe there's too much energy maybe to performance, and it's good to recalculate or sometimes literally look at the monitor. But generally, I like to know give whatever the honest take is in that moment. And if trust your director like you can try stuff knowing you can be bad. And if it's bad it won't won't make it to the movie, I can do research and do research. Kim. You think that you have this under control? I understand how scared you are interesting. Why do things it doesn't make me any different or a I'm attract craziness, and you're just embarrassed. Because I was like this amazing thing like your special Chretien or something. And you don't like Quiambao now war, you, Nick. Here. This is who I am. We're all Joaquin Phoenix quota like elaborates matters interested in wearing different scarves. It's less. Like, ooh. How can I make myself on recognizable to people and make choices? They're smart and rather like present reality of the human condition. And I think it's more learned from me as an actor. Like, I watched like when I did homeland when I was sixteen I believe in which were performing I was literally at the time still projecting and being very big. And I feel like it's a hard thing to do. We you're coming in as a day player in a movie even beautiful egg to be one of the lead. So you get a little bit of wiggle room to be yourself to be bad. Call me by your name oversee was absolutely huge hit. What happens then do truckloads of scripts arrive dwelled is your voice to what happens. Well, I think the best thing for me was going to work on Henry the fifth right away. And it's called the king and David Michaud directed it. And I started that basically a week after the Oscars last year. And was basically in England almost immediately and you'll playing the king. Yeah. I'm playing Henry the fifth the prints, I guess at first and with an English accent with an English accent Timothy Chaumet talking about beautiful boy and his working methods takes off seriously doesn't he in the studio with me today?.