Saint Bernadette, Bernadette Subaru, Jean Marc Mica discussed on 60 Minutes

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There would be none of this were it not for saint bernadette. According to Catholic lore, in 1858, a mysterious woman appeared in this grotto to bernadette Subaru, a 14 year old peasant girl, Jean Marc mica, the bishop of lords, says the woman spoke with Subaru several times over 5 months, and once the 20 5th of March, day of the annunciation, she said I am the immaculate conception. When word got out, the immaculate conception, the virgin Mary, had appeared in lords, people flocked to this grotto, and within days started making claims of miracle cures. The ability to walk restored sight, worried about fueling mass hysteria, the church set up the office of medical observations in 1883 to investigate the claims. Which brings us back to the other bernadette in our story. 14 years ago, sister morio found herself in a wheelchair in a procession at lords, seeking the intervention of saint bernadette. And I really had that feeling that the lord was walking with us, and they heard him giving me these words. I see your suffering and that of your sick brothers and sisters. Just give me everything. You heard the voice of Jesus. Yes, I heard this in a voice. I can't really tell you whose voice it was. It was like a spiritual experience. She said she returned home rejuvenated spiritually, but physically she felt worse. After three days in excruciating pain, she told us she suddenly found the strength to walk to the chapel and pray. Then I felt some kind of heat coming into my body. I felt relaxed. But I didn't really know what that was meaning. And in my room, I heard this in a voice again telling me, take all your braces off. I didn't think twice. And I started taking my foot brace off, and my foot that used to be crooked was straight. And I could actually put it on the ground without feeling any pain. All of a sudden your foot was straight. Yes, like that. Like the way it is just now. And so I kept going. She says she took off the braces and stopped the morphine all at once. Did this make sense to you? Ben knows her stuff. No, I knew it was impossible. She came to my door with her doctor and she said, last year I came to lose on pilgrimage and three days after I got back home, I was cured. Doctor Alessandro di Chi Chi's. Here's stories like that all the time. As the president and residing physician at the lord's office of medical observations, the former pediatrician's job is to determine whether there is more to those stories by applying 7 strict criteria established by the church. And we are looking for a diagnosis. And if that diagnosis is a diagnosis of a severe disease with a severe prognosis, and then we want to make sure that that person is a person that was cured in a way that one would say suddenly in an instantaneous way in a complete way in a way lasting in time. In my 7th criteria that has to match is there must be no possible explanation. To that cure. Here on the edge. He showed us the archives which hold thousands of recorded claims of cures. This feels like it's almost ten pounds. Doctor D Francis, a practicing Catholic, told us what separates the more than 7000 claims of cures from the 70 the church calls miracles, is an ungodly amount of medical documentation, and patients like sister Morello willing to put their lives under a microscope. We center to do different neurologists. We sent her to different real mythologists because of the different specific case for disease. We asked to repeat twice all sorts of imagery. Electrophysiology. We did all that we would do in medicine to be absolutely sure of her diagnosis and it was. But he wanted to confirm something else. I was asked to meet with tube psychiatrists in Paris. They wanted to know if I was lying. If I had already had any hallucinations. If I had levitated I remember answering no doctor, I never left the ground floor. Satisfied, doctor D frenchies sent sister Murillo's case to a group of 33 doctors and professors called the international medical committee of lords. Its job is to determine whether a cure is what they consider medically unexplained. We're not trying to reel something in orbit or something right. We're just trying to be objective. You could call them the devil's advocates. Doctor Michael Moran, a surgical oncologist, doctor yasak moss, a Professor of urology at Johns Hopkins, and doctor Kieran Moriarty, a renowned addiction specialist, scrutinized sister moreot case. And is there any anything that could have caused her response? No treatment would be that effective that quickly does religion enter into your medical conversation? We can not separate ourselves as people who have been deeply immersed in the culture and the traditions of lords and the church. But make no mistake, we're just as technical as a forensic pathologist when it comes to looking at the technical details of the case. After 8 years of investigation, the committee determined that sister Monroe's case was medically unexplained. So when you do a survey, the investigation of sister bernadette or any of the other cures, this is done on a purely medical basis, something that could be peer reviewed by other physicians outside could. That is. They are an estimated with absolute certainty that the case of sister Benedict had been reviewed red expertise by at least 300 physicians. 300 physicians. And here, if tomorrow morning, any of our viewers is a doctor and one day he stops in southern France and comes to see me and wants to look into the file of sister benedetta be delighted to show him because we have everything is open and collegial and no secrets. The secret is the mystery of it all, and on that the church gets the last word. An in 2018, a decade after her cure, sister moria's case was declared the 70th miracle of lords. Declaring miracle is saying God did something. This is the miracle. And the doctors can not go on that land. On that field. When I told people I was coming here, I got a lot of people who told me, oh, come on, there's got to be some explanation that we just don't know. What do you say to the skeptics? Come and see, be open, don't be narrow minded. Be open to believe that the real world is wider than the visible one.

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