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"The time is eight thirty four this is. Morning edition from NPR news I'm David Greene in Culver City California and I'm Rachel Martin in Washington DC President Trump hosted a big dinner party at the White House the other night even though guest described it as a state dinner with, all the fanfare that goes with that there were no heads of state in attendance there were a lot of people who have become very important to the president though evangelical Christian leaders Reverend Robert Jeffress was there he's pastor of First Baptist Dallas it's one of the largest southern. Baptist mega churches in the country I suppose if there were headline to come out of the evening it. Would be this evangelical remain enthusiastically United behind Trump I. Didn't sense any diminishing of support there. In fact. It was really a half state dinner and a half campaign rally I. Spoke with Reverend Jeffress in our studio. Yesterday morning before reports surfaced about. The comments President Trump made at that. Dinner according to NBC news and, the, New York Times Trump floated a harsh warning if Democrats win control of congress in the midterm saying. Quote they will, overturn everything that we've done and they'll do it quickly and violently I spoke with Reverend Jeffress. About why he supports President Trump and specifically. How Christian leaders square the president's admission that he paid hush money to a porn star with their religious convictions well look I. Think evangelical understand there's a difference. Between supporting president's policies in supporting individual behavior although this is diametrically Opposed to how evangelical. Christians approached Bill Clinton In that. Time, evangelical said you cannot compartmentalized someone's morality well I guess because it came down to in, November of two thousand sixteen a binary choice. And I don't know in what moral universe anybody could argue that. Hillary Clinton, is more moral than nominal Trump of course. Democrats and, many other Republicans would argue different I mean when, you talk about sleeping with a porn, star when you talk about, paying hush money when you. Talk about, mistrust the president has stated time and again. These, are things that evangelical. Christians in particular yeah find to be anathema and we could, do a litany of Hillary Clinton's have fences but. That's really not the purpose of the program the fact is the. Gospel message is all of us have. Sand we've all fallen. Short of God's glory we. All were centers we all need to save you What policies do you like that President Trump. Has supported without doubt Donald Trump has been the most pro life. Pro religious, liberty pro conservative judiciary president of any president. In history, and that includes either the bushes or Ronald Reagan, and that's why these evangelical enthusiastically supporting, in the past you have, called Islam and the Mormon. Faith heresies, and I'm quoting now from the pit of. Hell, you have said Judaism. And Hinduism lead people to hell you have a unique position, now is someone who has a close personal friendship. With the president the ear of the president of the United States. Is it your goal to recast America. As a Christian Lebanese. Well first of all you've given A laundry list of some of my greatest, hits but they're only, been somewhat out of context look the most historic claim of Christianity, the? Bedrock belief is that Jesus. Christ is the only way to happen so that is not a. Headline. Making belief that Christians believed that faith, in Christ is the only way to heaven and as far as Mormonism. It is a theological call the southern Baptist convention has called it, a cult and listed it that way it's, not a part of historic Christianity Islam is a. False religion I I do not back away from saying. It is a false religion faith in Christ, is, the only way to be saved so clearly a. Lot of people take issue with what you just said. Especially Muslims and Mormons but this is a country that was founded on religious liberty rush right, so you still maintain that this should be a. Country that respects the rights of all those absolutely and I? See, that in this, president I've Delayed the President Trump when he talks about religious liberty he's not just, talking about Christian religious, liberty when you think about how this president has advanced in evangelical, Christian? Agenda what are the ways. In which evangelical Christians have been treated or do you believe they've. Been. Treated as a persecuted minority in this, country Well I, think there are certainly, ways in which they have been, marginalized and I mean here's the question you. Have to ask yourself I mean. Why is it that, for? The first one hundred and fifty? Years, of our nation's history prayer in schools reading the, bible Nativity displays all of those. Things we're not only. Allowed but they were welcomed but then suddenly seventy years ago the supreme court. Decides these things are unconstitutional. I ask liberals all the. Time what change more religiously diverse what did did the constitution change no the establishment clause of the first amendment simply says, congress cannot establish a state religion that's what. It says but somehow that has been perverted and twisted into outlawing prayer, and bible reading that's what I'm talking about that's the marginalization of Christianity and I believe that's why evangelical rallying around this president who wreck Sizes. That marginalization the Reverend Robert Jeffress is pastor of First Baptist Dallas one of. The largest southern Baptist megachurches. In the country Reverend Jeffers. Thank you so much for coming in thanks for having me Rachel I let me give you a big reason to, listen to this next story about a clams metabolism because the essential, conclusion is it is better to be lazy here's NPR's Laura Walmsley. Luke's trots is a paleontologist at the university of Kansas who studies extinctions but he's not. So interested in big asteroid? Slamming into he studies small physical differences between animals that go extinct. And once at survive and the thing that he's really hung up. On, is how animals use energy their metabolism can we, look at metabolism it'll say. Something about the likelihood of that particular species going extinct. He and his colleagues decided to study five million years. Of molluscs specifically I was looking at what else, and gastro pods which centrally clams and snails. They, go back, almost to, the beginnings of animal life checking the metabolic rates of, living clams was pretty easy the researchers can watch their vital signs. Like respiration which you called you that. For a fossil obviously because Did not respond anymore so instead they measured, their shells and used climate models to estimate the metabolic rates the, results we find that these species that have. Gone extinct have higher. Metabolic rates thing the species that are still currently living Yup it's survival of the sluggish. On the individual level a? Higher metabolism is correlated with higher rates of mortality and sell the. K- that scales up to the level of the species is probably. The, finding of this study and it means that metabolic, rate could potentially."