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Interview. Is Amy harder reported with axes. This program was hosted by the world Resources Institute. Monday of last week. Thank you congresswoman for your time. And we look forward to hearing more about this field hearings and congressman Cabello. Thank you so much for your time here as well. Dan, gave us a brief buyer. But as a reminder, he was the author of the first big carbon tax climate policy. Bill introduced by Republican in a decade. And he's also founded the bipartisan climate solutions caucus. He he lost his race last year. I would argue that it was due to a lot of other issues. But if you ask those people who hate carbon taxes they will quickly. Tha that one one thing I remember about his race. That was. Just shows you the the upside down nature of politics is a Republican group funded an advertising that said that his democratic opponent was getting dirty coal money. So just trying to think about that a little bit. It shows the importance of climate change in environmental issues to the congressman's district, which is of course, the tip of Florida Miami. So you're definitely on the leading Republican thinking on this. But the caucus is mostly not with you, or at least publicly can you tell us obviously without violating private conversations. We would love to get an inside look at what you're hearing. And where the Republican caucus is on these issues. So thank you for slimy for this opportunity, and I wanna thank WRI for having me. And I know Kathy's gone, but I'll just say that being from Florida. It is wonderful that we have a Floridian. I think it's wonderful an appropriate that we have a Floridian check. During this this elected committee. And I think we are light years away from where we were at the end of the last congress, and I knew the last congress, very well did a lot of work on this issue as you noted fouled carbon pricing Bill and built out the climate solutions caucus to have forty five Republicans and forty five Democrats, despite all of those successes a lot of Republicans were still getting to the point where they were acknowledging the threat of the seriousness of the issue, which is important what you're seeing. Now is that the has continued and Republicans are starting to not just talk about solutions. But a few of them as we saw earlier have actually proposed solutions now understand for those of us who get how urgent and important. This is we're impatient. We might still be frustrated but thinking about congress and the way congress. Typically functions and evolved, this is actually significant and again, we're in a much better place today than we were just a few weeks ago. So I think you're going to see over the coming months, more and more Republicans. Take risks. So to speak on this issue. Because of course, the greatest fear that any member of congress has is to have a serious primary challenge. So when I say take risk political risk because a lot of these very conservative districts. It's hard to. For those that are exclusively concerned about reelection. It's hard to take to take these steps, but you have some some leading indicators people like Lamar Alexander like Matt gaetz who is in the most conservative Florida district and is leading in his own way on this issue. So again, I think it's hard to say where exactly the conferences today. But I think it's very easy and obvious to say that the conferences is moving in the right direction. The emerging Republican position on this issue is to support innovation. We saw that from congressman GATS as well with his green real deal. I think is what he called it. And Senator Alexander also innovation was the key term. When we hear that word. I mean innovation doesn't just fall from the sky, you need money or a market incentive or many, economists would argue both do you think innovation by itself is enough? To make the difference with climate change that you think there should be. I don't, but I do think that these Republican proposals number one when they talk about innovation and R and D that obviously means the public the federal government has to spend resources invest in mitigating climate change. Again, this is significant for. House and Senate Republicans. But I think what's most relevant is that you can kind of see the beginnings of what a bipartisan agreement would look like and Republicans are are really owning this innovation are indeed position can describe that as a win in a potential bipartisan agreement, and of course, on the other side of that there might be carbon pricing or other policies that will help perhaps fund the research and development, and it, and it could be a fiscally responsible Bill as well. So innovation alone is not enough. Some of the proposals you're seeing on the far left are not realistic. They're just not plausible where where we meet in the middle. I think is what matters most is reminded the audience and those joining online, please be thinking of questions in logging into the websites. Clyde dot DOE. And also vote for questions we have very few votes. So encouraging good democracy. Congressman you just made a comment about far left policies. Do you mean the green new deal? Well, certainly and by the way, the green new deal is not a plan to reduce carbon emissions. It's a liberal vision for our country's economy with climate policy as an accessory now, the great value in the green new deal the great contribution. It has made is that it has elevated this issue, and everyone is talking about the other great contribution. It has made is that if you know congressional Republicans. Well, you know that they must always have something that they can oppose and the green new deal is certainly made for congressional Republicans to oppose the good news is that after a Republican expresses opposition to the green new deal. The next question from. Good reporters. Like you is. Okay. What what are you for? And that's what Republicans are in search of now on the fact that they're searching for that. And some of some of them have already found some answers is very good news and an indicator that we are approaching or at least moving towards a bipartisan solution a lot of the questions here and a lot of support for questions on here. Look at what's behind historical for at least a decade opposition from Republicans. What do you think it is? Congressman do you think it's? Idea ideology. Do you think is the fact that any climate solution requires some sort of larger government role is personnel? Quote, the millions of dollars the fossil fuel industry has invested in deciphering the debate. What is it? That's preventing. Republicans and in another thing, you know, I sort of putting on my devil's advocate hat for this event in one their concerns about higher cost of energy, which I think is a legitimate question. But there's a lot of other issues that play here including lobbying influence, so what is it in? What's what how are things going to change to release that opposition? So I have my theory decades ago this question of environmental policy was generally a scientific or or an issue of science, and it over time became a question of culture. And I believe that this started in the wake of the two thousand election, which at the time was the most contentious in our country's history not anymore and after that election. Former vice president gore became the face of the environmental movement. He. He also made a number predictions that didn't pan out. And I really wish number one. I don't criticize the former vice president for his work on the issue. I think that's that's very noble and should be applauded. I wish that when he embarked on that journey. He would have done it with a Republican partner because this issue is just to important for anyone to try to own entirely. You really have to share it. If you want if you want good policy so after that election. I think a lot of Republicans reached the conclusion that avowed gore is for something we must certainly all oppose it and over the years, many different interest groups, of course, have reinforced that idea, and that's how we got to the point where we were. Three or four years ago, which I really think was was rock bottom when I got to congress or maybe three or four House Republicans who are willing to even say the word the words climate change. And we started the process of de politicizing or undoing the polarization that had resulted in that I think was born out of vice president Gore's activism, which again, I don't criticize. I just think it offers a good explanation for how we ended up in such an unfortunate place Carlos Curbello interviewed by axes reporter, Amy harder. Good follow up to that question is a question here from the audience how Republicans going to credibly change their message on climate change when they've campaigned for decades on bad faith arguments. And I just want to piggyback on that to offer. My own twisted version of that question, which is. If you if you goal is to address climate change, do you want to try to demonize party or do you want to try to work with whoever you can how do you balance that with as as this attendees said with a history of not having good faith on this issue? So that's a good question. And I think for at least some Republicans they probably cannot turn back because they've made some pretty definitive statements over the years. But when I read the op-ed by. Ranking member Walden. Former chairman Upton, and I guess former chairman Walden to and and Representative Szimke. I said, well, here's here's an obvious example of at least one of those three. Kind of reversing the position that they had held a decade ago in the midst of the cap and trade debate so for some it will be difficult or impossible. The good news is that. And I think you're seeing this Amy that the younger or not young or newer Republicans in the congress don't have a long history of votes and statements on this issue, and they are more free to to adopt responsible positions. And I think you've seen that over the last few months congressman Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio who who made I think some very positive statements in the science committee, congressman wall to Florida and others. So some of this will be the product of new Republicans coming into the congress because this divide is in many ways generational anyway. And we see that in polling a lot of young Republican. Millennial Republicans gen-x Republicans. I believe we need to act on climate. So one question that I'm seeing sort of permeates throughout the questions here online that I also have on my list is this separation between acknowledging climate change is real. It's a problem. Something should be done supporting the broad idea of innovation, but very few Republicans are supporting carbon pricing in my conversations both on and off the record with Republicans and their staffers that that's just too far for them. So I guess one question for you really quickly. You took from you do think carbon pricing is an essential part of the equation. And if yes, then what's why do you think these members are not going to support that or do you think they'll change their positions? I think carbon pricing is a natural component of any bipartisan agreement. So I can understand why a lot of Republicans who I.