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Friday to you. John mcginnis with your NewsRadio KPFK. I hope you having a good day. Lots of things going on a lot of things. Go on our we spent a lot of time talking about lawn Justice today and a big part of that is because of a decision made recently by the California board of parole hearings, and you probably don't have a clue with the California border parole hearings. Does who they are. And these are this is a classic example of gubernatorial appointees that the average person, and in fact, people who are relatively deeply immersed in the in the in the business of government government and public policy and politics, and all of that most don't know anything about it. And so the governor selects and fills as appointees members of this border parole hearings, they've gone by different names over the years. There were the border prison terms once upon a time and historically the the ideological pensions of the governor tend to be. Manifest in the people that the governor has chosen to serve on those boards. So if you have a governor that's more inclined to to be a hardcore law and order type. They will pick hardcore law and order types to serve in those capacities. It's a if effectively an administrative law judge position yet it does not require a juris doctorate or membership in the bar. And it's a it's it has been over the years a big part of the overall criminal Justice effort, and the the the mindset that they bring to that board. But again, I think not to criticize anybody, but the average person would have no reason to know about this commission. None whatsoever not affect your life. Or so you would believe therefore you pay no attention to it. They don't campaign for this. They're not typically public figures oftentimes, they're what's referred to as f- OG or friends of the governor, and that may be unfair because many times people have been appointed to these positions that had no relationship with the governor. But they were philosophically. I guess experienced a good match or good considered suitable. For gubernatorial appointment to that position. It historically there were two different levels. I don't know if this is still in play or not there were people who were in civil service positions that that did this work, and they worked alongside people who were exempt gubernatorial appointees, well, they make decisions about folks who are looking at the possibility of being paroled from custody, and they look at it through the lens of their background education training experience and over the years. There have been a number of people who have been prosecutors and law enforcement officers, and and people who had some some real serious knowledge people from another department of corrections that had real serious knowledge about the the tendency of people to behave in a certain way based upon their prior conduct while now this week this this board of parole here. Airings recommended that Charles Manson follower, Leslie Van Houten. There's probably a name you haven't thought about a long time. But she was part of the Manson family, and they have recommended that she be paroled after serving more than four decades in prison may think. Okay. Well, four decades is a longtime. She's sixty nine years of age now. This was the product of a hearing conducted at the women's prison in corona California commissioners at the border pre parole hearings found that for the third time that the sixty nine year old Van Houten was suitable for release. If her case withstands a hundred and fifty day review process, it will then rest in the hands of California's new governor Gavin Newsom Van Houten was recommended for parole twice previously. But then governor Jerry Brown blocked to release which was that was significant unto itself. Then Houghton was among the followers Manson's murderous called who stabbed to death wealthy. Grocer Leno labianca and his wife Rosemary back in nineteen sixty nine. Van Houten was nineteen during the killings which came a day after the other mass followers killed the pregnant actress, Sharon Tate and four others in Los Angeles. Tate's sisters, attended Wednesday's proceedings and said afterward that they've she vehemently disagrees with the parole recommendation. She said, I just have to hope and pray that the governor comes to the right decision and keeps Van Houten behind bars. The governor did not return immediate did not immediately respond to inquiries from the media that houses lawyer rich Pfeiffer said he was pleased with how the commissioners focused on making sure that she took quote full responsibility end quote for her role in the killings. Her her role in the killings, and the the responsibility she owns on that is is abundantly clear. Continuing on the statement of her attorney says she goes she chose to go with mass and she chose to listen to him. And she acknowledges that that that was her conduct. You went on to say an predict that it will be a much more difficult decision for governor Newsom to make the block Pearl for governor Brown. In his decision last year Brown acknowledged Van Houten youth at the time of the crime. I'll give you that nineteen years of age her more than four decades of good behavior as a prisoner and our abuse at the hands of Manson, but he said, she's still laid too much blame on mass and for the murders. Well, her own conduct was extraordinarily in this case at her last hearing Van Houten described Trump a troubled childhood said, she was devastated when her parents, divorced when she was fourteen here's a newsflash. That's about half the population are more than half the population. The state of California has been through that experience shooting soon after she said she began hanging out with her schools outcast crowd and using drugs when she was seventeen Shandor boyfriend ran ran away to San Francisco's Haight Ashbury district, of course, that was during the the city's summer of love that so much love in that group. She was traveling up and down the state of California on the coast when acquaintances led her to Manson he was holed up. An abandoned movie ranch on the outskirts of Los Angeles where he had recruiter what he called a family to survive what he insisted. It would be a race war. He would launch by committing a series of random horrifying murders that out and said she joined several other members of the group in killing the lobby Acas carving up Leno labianca body, and smearing the couple's blood on the walls. This is not a snap. This is not a momentary period of bad judgment. This is this is absurd. This is horrific egregious behavior. Cutting up the victim's body and smearing the couple's blood on the walls. That's I mean murder is murder. But this this accent weights the evil embodied in that act, and you can't blame somebody. That's that course of action on somebody else. No one who took part in the Tate labianca murders has been released from prison. Manson died back in two thousand seventeen of natural causes at a California hospital while serving a life sentence. Earlier this month, the California parole power recommended for the first time that mass and a follower. Robert this'll be freed. He was convicted of killing a musician, Gary hinman, so here's my question for you. Do you want to see this woman paroled, given the nature of what she did she sixty nine. Now, she was nineteen time. Lots of time pass she's been described as a model inmate. Remember, a model inmate is not the same as a model citizen on the streets when they have freedom of liberty and latitude to make decisions and go where they choose and interact with other human beings times past she was undoubtedly under the influence of Manson, but she's still exercise some level of free will and again, the nature of her particular conduct in this case in my mind speaks volumes. So it underscores a couple of things I don't know a governor is going to do with this. My suspicion is that he will he'll block parole. I think it would be a horrible decision. And this is brand new and his administration. I sincerely hope that that. He does the right thing. But again, it goes back to the so many of these gubernatorial picks, these executive branch and state and federal government who they pick who they fill these positions with to make to make ultimate decisions that could affect your life in a very negative way. And by the way, if she sixty nine years of Asia looks as though she's remember every indication in pretty good health. So she probably could go out and continue to do bad things. But even if she's never gonna commit another crime in her life. Ditch he not earn an entire life in custody for what she did. And what's the confidence in the system? If there are exceptions to the basic, fundamental rules in terms of consequences for behavior, and this is ABC behavior. And then some think about it for a moment at this. I think harmless noncontroversial family. Wealthy family from a grocery chain and into to engage the they pose no threat to any of these people. They sought them out. Kidnap them and took them to a place where they they killed him. And he vis there remains. Do you want them parole? That's the poll question today. Do you want her to be paroled pretty much straight up? Yes. Or no response you'll find that on the John McGuinness page A K, K dot com. You can also pine about it on the airwaves at nine one six nine to one fifteen thirty or eight hundred three four fifteen thirty bucks. More conversation coming up right after this. Don't go away..