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We got quite a few messages from you about your experiences, dealing with human bones, including on a medical level. Here's what one listener left in our inbox. Hi, my name is Shawn Dell and in medical school. I worked in lab. And so not only do we have to go through cutting through tissue. I think my favorite part. Now, I know something about the crash speaking of the anatomy, let me get back to that tweet that I just read from Tyler Tyler wrote, I separated my shoulder in a bike crash twenty years ago, the bones still do their jobs, but without the specific architecture of muscles tendons in veins, there are cliques and pressures and muscles that have had to compensate. It's a reminder of how amazing and specific our skeletons are Brian this is a real basic question. But could you just give us a clearer sense of what our bones do for our body? Yes, they hold up the framework of the rest of it. But they do it in a very intricate way. And they do more than that. Yeah. I mean, there are aspects of bone that affect just about every part of our lives. So the story preceding you're our conversation and had to do with bone marrow. The fact that our bones contain marrow that create our blood cells. The fact that bone is incredibly responsive and can heal itself and much of the same way that our bones initially grow from the time that we're in the womb through adulthood, and. Old age. It's this system where bone is always being laid down. It's always being eaten up. It's always changing those responding to our environment. It protects us to protect internal organs are ribs wrap around in our heart and lungs, and so many other vital pieces. So is really multifunctional tissue. That's much more dynamic than I think a lot of people understand. With regards to our anatomy Collin tweeted, what's going on with our tail bones, Brian what about the tailbone? Well, those are you know, this vestige of our evolutionary past. Yeah. They're just kind of along for the ride at this point. They provide you know, perhaps some anchor points for some muscles and soft tissues along with the other bones of our our hips in our in our lower backs. But it's really just this wonderful little clue that you know, millions and millions of years ago. Our ancestors had tales. So I like this little tidbit of our deep past that still there. Amanda tweeted, why do we treat bones more cavalierly than dead bodies? I think because part of the culture in which we've you bones up they become collectors items because if you look at it, human stolen, really take a minute to look at it. There is a lot of personality there, even if you don't see the the eiser or the soft tissues or anything that would make it a full face. There's still so much personality there, I think that we've kind of gotten used to not questioning the fact that you know. You know, these are people that are remains of of people that there's been a mentality of the dead have no rights for hundreds of years. I'm really just starting to change that now I had a conversation with a friend of mine who wanted to obtain human skeleton as an artistic reference, and we had a conversation very similar to what you and I have been talking about at the end of it. She said, you know, it's kind of funny that I give more thought to the treatment of the chickens who laid the eggs that I get from the grocery store, then the fact that you know, I want to buy what you know, is is a person. So I think a lot of this is just we haven't been investigating our own views and questioning ourselves about do we have a right to collect own human remains. And I think that's something that's really just bubbling up and is going to continue for some time. Well, and also, I think we should just be clear is that a bone doesn't look like the person that belong to you know. I mean, if you saw me dead in a coffin, you would recognize it as me if you saw my skeleton leader. Out on a table in a cadaver lab, you'd have no way to tell who it is. It's almost like it allows a certain disconnection from the humanity of whoever was there isn't distance. There's some disconnection although on the other hand some of this depends on expertise. I was at an event in Washington DC where anthropoid friend of mine who I've never met before. Who knew me from Twitter came up and said, oh, yeah. I recognize you by the shape of your skull. So sometimes it's. That we're willing to go have some Pearl Magnin had or what? I haven't had the twenty three and me tests done yet to see how much on the NFL. I've got probably got some being of western European descent. But that's the wonderful. Western European descent has some I'm just wondering if you would like a caveman. I haven't been called beetle Browde yet. But I'll circle back if I do. Matt tweeted, Dr h h Holmes sold the bones of his victims to medical schools. What's that about you know, that story? Yeah. I think that is if I recall incorrectly that this was a murderess fellow who operated in Chicago during the time of the world's fair. And yeah, he killed a number of people. And then sold the remains, and that's gets back into the bone trade that, you know, a fair number of skeletons or human remains that you might find for sale through various outlets came from medical schools, either closed or the accession some of their collections or some of what they used to teach with. And that's a question that's worth asking that you if you are interested or looking into buying human remains number one. I don't thinks particularly ethical to to do. But if you ask those questions like who was this person where did this come from? What's the history? So often, these pieces are not only denuded of their Fleischer denude of their history where we have no idea where they came from with regards to that, Jim. Sent cintas an Email little graphic kind of specific nothing gruesome, but just fair. Warning. Jim emailed a human skeleton from a doctor's office was offered at an auction. Recently, it came complete with a documented back story that the bones belonged to a murdered Parisian prostitutes. And indeed it was possible to see the knife marks on her sternum the bones sold for two hundred dollars. It was legal. But it did not seem right? Pat tweeted regarding indigenous bones, what about geronimo's skull at the Yale skull-and-bone society. Brian descendants of Geronimo sued the society about a decade ago. I believe saying that they basically robbed his grave in the early twentieth century. Yeah. Yeah. Familiar with that particular case, but there are a number of famous skeletons in various museums or medical school colleges that they're still question of like should these bones be repatriated or returned who was this person? Can we identify them, and what were their their wishes on another example that's been in? The news relatively recently is the skeleton of someone who is famous for for some time. Call the Irish giant Charles Byrne, who you know, he had a physiological condition that gave him your larger stature and famously. He kind of could hear the the scalpel is being sharpened. Yeah. As he felt his life was ending any made specific wishes to be buried at sea in a lead coffin. So his body wouldn't be stolen put on display, and that is exactly what happened that the Royal College of surgeons or what became the Royal College of surgeons in England obtained his remains until recently is on display. There's been. Some murmurings that he may eventually get his final wish and a final burial. But especially with skeletons, and remains that are centuries old or considered historic or have certain medical value. There's often pushback from the scientific or medical community saying, well, we can learn from from these things are now there's a historical gloss to the outside of this that makes the bones something more than just that one person's life, and there's this constant back and forth that we really have yet to resolve speaking of that history. We should definitely mention Richard the third the former king of England he was reburied in an official religious ceremony in twenty fifteen more than five hundred years after he died. Here's a bit of that eulogy from the ceremony. It was written by Scottish poet named Carol. Ann Duffy and read by Benedict Cumberbatch who has played the famous king and is his distant descendant bones scripted in light upon code soil. A human braille my skull. Scott by crown emptied of.

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