Andrew Johnson, President Trump, Congress discussed on Jim Bohannon


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Look at the trial of Andrew Johnson and the dream of just days. I gather there was a brief honeymoon period in which it looked as though Johnson might get along with the radical Republicans. But that, that quickly changed, what was the, the major turning point, the, the crossing of the Rubicon, if you will. Crossings, actually, it seems to me. I mean, it's you know when as I said, John's Johnson starts issuing executive orders. He's starts allowing he basically allows what we call states rights, you know, the issue, one of the issues that the war was thought about in terms of home rule when he sets up. So then state legislatures basically and starts. Pardoning former confederates at the rate of almost a hundred day, a lot of these people started who had been thought of traitors, they started getting into not just government, the police force. So there was that it was the effort that he made to make these states part of the union again with, you know, by Norring running around congress. And then when congress started to pass legislation to help the formerly in slaved of the south like civil rights legislation, which was only granting people citizenship due process. You know, it's not really very radical at all Johnson would veto this kind of legislation in congress would has legislation over his each then when congress decided had to enshrine civil rights in the constitution with the fourteenth amendment. Johnson went out on us, speaking tour that was that was lampooned is the Andes swing around the circle where he basically campaigned against the fourteenth amendment in started abusing members of congress saying they should be hanged that they were responsible for what had been now murders in the south murders of black people, and white loyalists as they were called or white Republicans, particularly in, in major cities like meant in New Orleans, where the, the there were massacres that hit occurred, and even. Union for, you know, union generals like Phil Sheridan who is not exactly a radical so horrified. He said that he'd never seen anything quite like this in Johnson tried to suppress this information. So it's getting worse and worse and worse as time went on. So did you. I wanted to ask you a I guess about secretary of war, Edwin Stanton. So what happened was congress thought. Well, you know, we're going to have to pass even more legislation reconstruction legislation, which basically, in franchise, the blacks of the south, and who the people who are going to protect them at the polls military the south was divided into military zones. And so in that particular case was in charge of the military was General Grant, and Edwin Stanton, who had been secretary of war under Lincoln, and in many cases in many people thought that he was is much as Lincoln or grant responsible for the union winning the war. So, so the congress congress wanted to keep standing in office, and they knew that Stanton by this time, couldn't stand Johnson and Johnson couldn't stand him. So they passed what was called the tenure of office act to protect Stanton that meant that none of people known of the people in. Johnson's cabinet. You know, any civil officer who had been confirmed by the Senate needed Senate could only be fired was Senate approval. So Johnson to make a long story short. What did was he fired Stanton? Anyway. And that that'll help rope. We're down the path of impeachment. Now, I'll read that article two section for again, the president vice president and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for and conviction of treason bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors, unquote. Very short little section there. Extent. Do you think that Gerald Ford was correct? When he defined the criteria for impeachment as whatever. A majority of the house of representatives says it is that any given point in history. Tirelessly wrong. But it sounds terrible. And the reason he did not entirely wrong. Is it? The constitution is very vague on this. So even if you go to federalist papers, where Alexander Hamilton writes that impeachment that pause for impeachment can be something like maladministration, or abuse of power. What does that mean necessarily? So in some sense, what happens is the what, what Ford means is that all you need is a simple majority in the house to vote for impeaching president, it's not the same as removing from office, and it's not the same as conviction. It's, it's the impeachment, which means he goes, he'd because it always was a he is, is tried in the problem. Of course, as we know what treason is. We think we know bribery is, but what are high crimes? We hear misdemeanor. That means all well, it could be worse. It could be a felony. I mean, the term has somehow lost. Meaning and context over the decades. Then that is that could could misdemeanor be stealing chicken. Would you throw somebody out of office for doing that? You know, and also different states have different laws for what constitutes misdemeanor. So what's a high crime? You know what is it a high misdemeanor? And so these are very, very unspecific terms and conditions. And so in that particular case, that's why there's a way in which Ford is right? But congress is very, very rarely, as we know in our history, only Johnson and Clinton takes that step because it seems like and it is such a radical step because we have a democracy and people voted. You know, the chief executive into office with Johnson. However Johnson wasn't voted in this. He was the accidental president. We didn't really have a constituency. He didn't really have the kind of base we call it today that we think of a president is having to have gotten in. We'll come back and we'll talk some more with our guest again. She is noted historian, Brenda wine, apple, the book is the impeaches the trial of Andrew Johnson, the dream of a just nation. One eight six six final JIMBO. We'll be back in a moment. Liberty Mutual insurance presents. Doug. There's a woman.

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