Ukraine, Putin, Soviet Union discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory

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And welcome back to coast to coast Steven Cohen with Stephen there seems to be an uncanny list of Russian journalists who have been killed or who have died. Very mysteriously. We've heard the stories of the poisoning of dissidents. Are are these connected to Putin in your opinion? What do you think? I have this problem, George, and I take it very seriously. Just like a medical doctor just like an engineer just like the best journalists, I go based only on facts. Position allegations. You don't touch rumor, well, I studied them. But if there's no factual basis to them, I can't make him part of my work. I've looked into some of these cases in which Putin is accused of having ordered the killing people there about. Some magazine which had gone, quite wild and eighty cases. Which they said Putin had been involved, but there are three or four serious one credible ones in the sense that they made it the least they have some logic to them. I found no evidence I can give you one instant based on my own knowledge. Perhaps the first case and still in some ways the most. Important Kelly was the murder of a Russian journalist name on a polar cough sky. And I think it was two thousand eight I may be off. She was entering her apartment building and stopped where the mailboxes are and you open the front door with your key and assassin came up and shot her to death. And as is the sign of a higher Chacin. He dropped the revolver at her body. This was so important that the next day Putin himself commented on it. She was very well known investigative reporter and rather anti Putin. She works for a dear friend of mine mine, whose the editor of the main independent opposition newspaper in Russia. It's called no guys yet, the new newspaper, and it's very famous. It's very forthcoming in its criticism of the Kremlin has a large following on its web, millions of people young people the editor who to this day maintains shrine to wanna back when we were there last week, my wife, and I though it was winter, and it was covered they had a beautiful garden outside the building called on his garden. So they have memorialized her life. They are deeply sentimental and caring about her. They do not believe for a minute. Putin was behind it, nor does her surviving family, which I believe is to children. So. That's what I can tell you. If they don't believe Putin was behind it. And they above all would be tuned any guilt on the part of the Kremlin. They believe. It was assassinated carried out on the orders of the leader of Chechnya. Now, this Republic of the Russian federation where she had been reporting and exposing human rights, abuses, and corruption. Most of the cases. Again, this goes to the nature of the Russian political economic system, which was created in the nineteen ninety s most of the killings of journalists. If we were to make a list of let's say twenty. Are linked to stories. They published about business corruption. Because the system still has large pockets of corruption high and low in it, and when a reporter discovers that some major project that the government officials are involved, and they are getting paid on the side or Siping siphon siphoning off large amounts of money. There is a certain culture still in Russia leftover from the nineties where that journalists becomes a target. What is this has had to do with Putin? Well, there's no evidence or nor logic because it's bad for his reputation, very bad that he's behind the most you could say is why doesn't he stop it? And then this takes us to a larger question how much does Putin actually control in a country, that's the largest territorial country in the world. Could Putin put an end to these killings if he wanted to and I don't mean to be to make a false equation. But when Obama became president. Because he was a black man and apple American for various reasons, racial hate crimes increased in this country. But we would never blame Obama for that. We would say that's built in our culture. It's lamentable lamentable aspect a legacy a residue of our past. But we would never say Obama was at fault. I think not that Putin is Obama even though he's a leader. And he has immense power to can't he doesn't. He never has any never will. Control, very substantial dark places. But he's not a boy scout. No, I mean, he's very tough, man. He's a very smart, man. He he but still the question is what could he do? I mean, it's very bad for his reputation. And you'll note that a lot of these killings take place just as he's about to go abroad on a very important economic mission is some force. So let's give it take an example from November twenty fifth which I remember because I arrived in Russia that day and then to been my birthday, well, happy belated happy belated yet another year. You remember what happened that day Russian and Ukrainian gunboats got in a brief shooting match near this bridge that Russia's built between the Russian mainland and crime eight right now, why did that happen? The American newspapers. I was reading papers today from the last two weeks and also even as late as yesterday still say that Russia was at fault. But that doesn't seem to be what happened. The small Ukrainian gunboats defied longstanding regulations that they were to stop short of the bridge. We a very narrow straits, by the way, this has nothing to do with politics is existed for centuries. Navigating those straits is difficult. So you have to wait in line. You get your instructions, and here's the key. A Russian pilot comes on board. To steer the ship through the straits. It doesn't matter if you're Ukrainian or Cuban or American ship, that's the regulation the Ukrainian gun boats. Ran. Right across the the stop line and kept going and kept going, and so the Russian helicopters and planes and gunboats came fired on them took the ships took some prisoner and created what is now a fairly big international scandal. So did this all evidence points to the president of Ukraine all of it? There's simply no one had motive when police have a homicide the first question, they ask is who had a motive Putin had absolutely no motive he was supposed to meet with Trump and Argentina remember that. Yup. Like within two days somebody wanted to sabotage that meeting. They didn't want that meeting to take place, and it did not take place Trump for whatever reason lack of resolve. Or he wasn't permitted said he wasn't going to meet with Putin. But he cited that episode is one of the reasons than. Reason. Now, the president of Ukraine on the other hand has a presidential reelection campaign coming up very soon March what is that January February about three and a half months? Three months in the poll. He's getting under nine percent. It looks like he cannot be reelected. So should we assume that he wanted to turn himself into some kind of war hero? The next day he declared martial law in the territories of Ukraine that typically vote for pro Russian candidates. They it exists today as we talk martial law. So it looks like a very cynical wag the dog. You know that expression wag wag the dog act by Kiev? I think that's a fact what I don't know is whether people in Washington encourage the president of Ukraine to do that that we don't know. Let's take some calls Steven on that. I want to talk about the Ukraine a little bit more with you. But we'll pick it up by going to Brett in Michigan to get us started. Hi, Brett, go ahead, sir. Okay. T of February twenty fourteen there was a coup d'etat. And some months later, I happened to hear a communication intercepts. With Victoria, Newland in Geoffrey Pyatt of the US State Department jubilantly celebrating their six billion coup-d'etat six billion dollar coup-d'etat. Israeli massad snipers were picking off Kiev citizens. And I think also some of the military. Just as they did. After after the the original invasion of Iraq after Afghanistan that would have been what March of all three. Same thing happened there. They disbanded the military and there's a presentation on YouTube. I think it is called the first year in Iraq the very same scenario now in Israel at Jerusalem university or Hebrew University. Start a doctor or professor Israel Shahar. Author of Jewish history. Jewish religion the weight of three thousand years. He's the fella who somewhere in the mid to late eighties to transmitted the Oded Yunan plan known as the greater Israel. Project for global conquest. So you're saying bread Israel's behind all this. What I'm saying as a combat that? Thank you for serving by the way. Happened to. No, no, even maybe Owens Broschi is a name that would ring a bell with your guest, Ellen Zabriskie. Honorable Hebrew, American Marine Corps vet US army war college Colonel. He he discovered and presents on YouTube presentation, Israel did nine eleven all the proof. And there's a there's a couple of others. All right. Well, let's get some of your reaction to that. Stephen. That's I'm not I'm not going to go with this Isreaeli behind all these various deeds because it's lace was something that I find myself, I'm comfortable with. But the episode he mentioned is very important in Ukraine. I think he missed dates. I don't think it was February twelfth February twenty twenty one twenty two when ineffective via coup the legitimately elected president of Ukraine was overthrown. Now, he's also mistaken on one thing. The tape does exist. The Torian new one who is a very high ranking member of the American State Department, and in charge of the Ukrainian operation and Jeffrey pot who was the ambassador at the time. This took place before the coup he has it after the coup, but it's even more telling before, and this is not supposition document has been published. They have a talk and they discussed the formation of a government after the overthrow of Yanukovych. What is which is yet to happen? What's interesting is the members of that government that they agreed upon between the two of them on the phone became the government of Ukraine. What do we make of that? Well, it looks as though Washington played a very big role in the overthrow of Yanukovych and the formation of the so called post. My Don government, which is still in power today. More or less. That seems to have been the case. What do we say about this? I believe it was among Obama's worst foreign policy mistakes. He was way over his head Ukraine is Slavic territory. Largely it is part of his joint centuries old civilization shared by Russia in Ukraine. The attempt to sever Ukraine from Russia lettuce today, George to where we are in this new and more dangerous Cold War that was a turning point. So it wasn't Israel. They may have been involved, but it wasn't Israel. They pulled the trigger in Ukraine in February two fourteen. It was Washington when the Soviet Union collapsed. Didn't any of those satellite countries? Want to stay with Russia? Yes. And here's what's interesting. I I wrote about this not in this book war with Russia question, Mark. But in the previous book about the end of the Soviet Union that if people say the Soviet Union was a colonial empire. It's often said yet the republic's there were fifteen republics including Russia of the Soviet Union. They all went their separate ways the ones that didn't want to go with the central Asian republics. They didn't want the end of the union for various reasons. And yet, you would think they were the most. Colonized? You see what I'm getting? Yeah. They didn't want the partly because they were receiving subsidies for Moscow, but the end of the Soviet Union set free or created fifteen new states some have worked out pretty well, some have not Ukraine in the forefront there, but the end of the Soviet Union in December nineteen ninety one is a story that yet untold is still unfolding and a lot of the things were coping with today. I would submit to international terrorism of a kind that wouldn't have existed if the Soviet Union still existed is a result of the end of the Soviet. You could be you know, I keep thinking if our fifty state salts spun office separate countries, how many of them would really make it and succeed and not a lot of them would add one thing. Unlike our states, the Soviet republics were ethnic nationality based it was an who's back Totta Georgina Ukrainian so what emerges. George is a kind of ethnic nationalism at a time in the world when ethnic nationalism is on the rise as a disruptive force. So I think I mean, not only because so the Soviet Union was the history of the twentieth century, but because the ramifications the fall out of the end of the Soviet Union. It was a great turning point in history. And we're seeing it every day today. I mean, I mean even the problems that are unfolding in France and Europe today in some ways are the ripples of the end of the Soviet Union. But certainly what we're watching in places like Ukraine. Next up. Let's go to James in Los Angeles. James takeaway. Hi, professor, Colin. Thanks for taking my call. I appreciate it. Professor cohen..

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