Listen: Theft, Herman Cain, New York City discussed on Part of the Problem
"You know argument is I believe this because of this other thing, okay? I'll get to that as you're right. The statement alone. Taxations theft is an assertion. It's not an argument. There is a fairly obvious argument. That follows from that assertion that you could and I'll be happy to kind of break that debt, but I just wanna make sure I'm understanding you correctly. So it's not saying taxation as theft is an assertion you disagree with. But it's not a logical straight saying taxation is theft and they're short, and therefore it's wrong is a logical foul. Okay. And here's here's why I think it could. It's a logical fallacy agree. It's not obvious on its face. You think? Okay. We'll what's wrong with that. Right. You know, we all agree. That theft is wrong. Right. I say that goes at this category of things that we all agree wrong. So. So it's raw right? That follows what's what's what's bad about that. Well, of course, it does follow. But I think that it's circular. So the reason that I think that it circular is that what we mean by theft is taking away something that we don't have a moral right to take. Right. That's that seems like what theft is. So if you say it's wrong because it's theft. Then you're saying that it's wrong because you don't have a moral right to take it which I think is a bit like say it's wrong because it's wrong. In other words. I think you're smuggling the conclusion that it's wrong into the premises. Right. The reason that people are get come to different conclusions about this issue is that they're gonna disagree. Like, let's let's say for the sake of simplicity, we have Herman canes tax plan. You know, that I think, you know, city ten ten ten nine nine nine nine nine nine you just raise canes. Sorry is my tag. Okay. No. That's that's fair. And he said it a million times. I saw the video that like spliced together with Hitler saying. So you know, I should pretty I should be able to remember nine nine nine. That's on me. But if we had that, right? Yes. So if you're arguing with with Herman Cain, he says that a just adjust fare tax rate is nine percent, right. So in other words that it's right and fair and reasonable that out of your pretax. What's listed as your pretax income that nine percent of it goes to fund whatever Herman Cain wants it to fund and ninety one percent goes into your net income. So if you disagreed you say, oh, that's you know, that's wrong. Right. I object to that. That's because you believe that have a right to one hundred percent of your of your pretax income, or or at least, you know. I mean, you would say hundred percent, but anybody who thinks it's wrong right would say at least more than ninety one. Percents. So the disagreement between you and Herman Cain is about whether the the object of whoever that nine percent is being given to has right to morally or whether you have a right to it morally. Yes, that's the that's the issue. And so I think would you say it's it's wrong because it's theft. Right. You're saying, well, it's wrong. You're doing something you shouldn't be doing. Because the you'd have you know, a right to it. So I think that you're I think that you're just sort of smuggling the the conclusion that it's wrong into the premise that Steph. Okay. Let me let me put it like this in analogy. If you will let's say, we're in like an apartment, building New York City, and where I'm at conversation, and you have a a neighbor who's bugging or something making too, much noise. And you say to me, I'm gonna go take care of the problem this, and you leave and you go and you kill that guy.."