Kirk, Weissler, Gilbert Arizona discussed on Leading Saints Podcast
Kirk, Kirk, weissler. We're gonna. This is gonna be a tough one Kirk, 'cause I'm Curt and your Kirk. How are you Kirk? That's gonna be great. And everyone always asks is it KRT? Yeah. Exactly. And as Kurt with a T, but you know, you can go a different direction. That's fine. Yours is the true. That's right. Tell us a little bit about yourself. Put yourself in the context of Kurt. As far as where you live, what do you do? That sort of thing. Sure. So I live in Gilbert Arizona. We've lived here about 7 years, moved here from Georgia, we're out there about 9 years. The girl I married, Rebecca, we've been hanging out together for 30 years. Wow. We met both rejected BYU students going to the community college, which from what I understand now is even bigger than BYU. You view. I was one of those rejects that ended up in norm as well. But we were there during the main change. You know, when Carrie Romans worked was there and they were changing from two to four years and then all that. But we have 6 children together. Three boys three girls. I make my living primarily doing coaching training leadership and culture based team building called I call it culture building training. I usually in person training. It's been a little slow this last year and a half for in person training. So I've done something called zip zap zoom, you know, how to build a virtual team, things like that to kind of fill the gap, but being with people is obviously just so much more fun. But we could, I'd be needing me with you in the studio and it would just be so fun. And I listened to you so much. So that's what I've done. That's what I do. And then I think the context that got you and I connected was my recent service as an LDS bishop. I know you do a lot of so much of what you do with benefits leaders as they're trying to work with the different populations and challenges they face. And so I think that's how you and I got connected and through SQL Friends. Yeah. And what do you remember from that as far as starting that experience as bishop? I mean is there a story there as far as how you recalled or what that experience was like because even though you're this guy that goes around coaches and presents about culture and leadership, I just feel like church leadership sometimes can be the great equalizer, right? That just brings everybody to the same ground zero and says, all right, now you give it a shot. What do you remember about that learning experience at the beginning? Yeah. Okay, so at some point, so I'm 57 now, so I was in my early 50s when this happened. And I don't know how old you look very young to me. I turned 40 this year, so. But think about the number of bishops we've been through. Yeah. And I'm assuming you served in LDS mission, I don't know, but if some missionaries, some missionary stay with one mission, president submission had the experience of being with two. And so you see these dynamics in leadership and styles and that kind of thing. And so our ward culture, we just barely moved from Gilbert, just very moved to go to Arizona from Georgia. So we got there during the summer. I mean, we were just unpacking when this happened. And so we didn't have any preconceived notion or experience. Our first couple of Sundays at church, most people were already gone on vacation because in Arizona, people during the summer exit the state. Makes sense. Like a snowbird opposite thing. So I don't have any idea. I looked at my wife and I thought, well, this is interesting. There's a lot of people they could choose from. So we're going to say this came from God. We're going to lean in and have a great experience. And then I had a few people from the state tell me that this particular ward was a little bit of a stepchild to the stake in that there was a little higher turnover, more of a starter homes. There's going to be more needs. That type of scenario. And I said, okay, well, I didn't know what that meant. And so but I was like any bishop, I was excited. And like any bishop, well, I think, I don't know what anybody should does with that. I know what I do that. I'm going to be the best. I'm going to break records. My job allows me to go over in the morning. I'm just going to read that hammock a couple times. It's the first couple of weeks. I'm just going to be right and then and then you get on you leave the MTC and you hit the mission. This is how this is going to go. Yeah. Does that sound familiar? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm going to make the state president so proud, you know? Trust me. I love that. Love that. And then how long did you serve as a bishop? 5 years. 5 years. Nice. So pretty, pretty typical for Arizona, right? I don't know. I think think so. There was threats from the state president that my call would be extended and shortened. So there was moments when there was moments when he said, you know, I'd be the bishop, but I never thought you would do that. And we'll talk about that a little bit. But he still loved me and I still love him. Yeah. So let's just go to the basics as far as culture is concerned. You know, through the lens of your experience as a bishop, but also as a speaker and consultant and coach. We hear this term culture a lot. And sometimes it's just it can feel more like a buzzword. I think generally people understand what we're saying about culture. And these phrases that you're religious community. Oh, that's not doctor, and that's culture. And it's really hard to sit down with the concept of culture as a leader and say, okay, now we're going to do a B and C so where do we begin to even understand what culture is or how we can start on this path of implementing a positive culture in award? Okay. Have you interviewed the guy that does the website, the art of manliness? Yeah, yeah. Okay, Brett McKay, yes. So yeah, he wrote an article called the father with intentionality. It's my go to short piece that I use with my corporations when I'm doing culture work. Because it's a 7 minute read that gives you a good concept. But I drafted a little something for you today, thinking you might ask this question. So here's what I wrote. Like families, every water branch or steak has its own unique culture. That feeling that's made up of our collective beliefs and attitudes and energy of the members and the stories that they tell themselves and others about themselves and others and about how the ward is and how the bishop is and how the young men's program is. You as a bishop saw people come in, they were kind of surfing your award. They were like, I can move anywhere in this community. I'm just going to reward hopping looking for that fit, right? Like, that just when they moved to a new city, we go to church by zip code, but that just go to church by preacher. Like, a one looking for the preacher that kind of fits my so while everyone contributed to the culture, leaders can play this key role in shifting and shaping that culture. And they will do this intentionally, as Brett writes, or they'll do it unintentionally, either way, you and I are going to shape that culture. So my question for you Kurt is, have there been times in your church? Think of it. Think about times in nutrients where you visit another ward and experience something about that other war that you're like, wow, that's that's cool. I mean, or that's remarkable, or man, I wish our board did that, or I'm gonna do that when I'm a bishop's update. Can you think of any specific things that you saw? Just specific thing. I'll give you one. Okay. Yeah. Haven't you? Haven't we all gone to award and go, man, these deacons in the sacrament? That's tight. Yeah. They were crisp. That would have taken us 15 more minutes. How'd they do that in 15 minutes, right? Like, wow, those guys, right? Or you go to this ward and there's this buzz. There's just this, I mean, it's not reverent, but there's a good feeling. There's all this buzz, and then the bishop brick stands and it just goes like, wow, this got quiet. Or going to a singles ward, where there is no children and going, it's too quiet. I'm right. But we go to these wards and we had these experiences and those experiences are part of that world's culture. And sometimes we're like, wow, that's cool, and sometimes we're like, oh, I kind of miss my work. Yeah. But we all belong to the same faith. We all have the same doctrine. So I've imagined I've often imagined this dream calling in the church, which is that whether Kirk wisely, you've been called to serve as a best practice gather your assignment as to visit rewards each Sunday.