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Our Program will tell this this story with the help of our executive producer special correspondent to we K. Brown the reason there was a packed courthouse last week. The reason we've heard so much about Epstein eighteen is Julie. She's an investigative reporter for the Miami Herald who has been digging into Epstein for three years and she wrote an explosive series about him last fall all she was in New York for the hearing last week. I think one of the things that really struck everybody right away. was there was probably about thirty women that were obviously victims you know sitting with their lawyers and they all had certain look yeah. What about well it? Ah tends to be very waif-like women who had blond hair most of them had blond hair blue eyes not all of them but most of them they have a stature about them like a model quality stature about them uh-huh and then the next thing is sort of notice is how they all were looking at each other and an all kind of you know recognizing you could see it in their faces like. Oh man look you know here. We're all in this. This together and Squirrel could feel as the hearing went on this bonding there was really going on. They were putting their arms around each other's very emotional. you know to see them. All bonding like this and I think you know the after the first couple title of women's spoke. I think I could feel that the other women who came up and they were more confident so I I got the feeling that they were all supporting each other even though some of them didn't know each other before that hearing this doesn't happen victims do not get to testify about a man who's dead judge. Richard Berman said he knew of only one other example in our system when someone dies and criminal case against them is over but these women wanted their day in court and Berman and the prosecutors felt they should have it. They were very adamant about the fact that they were not going to handle this case the way that the prosecutors in Florida had handled it and you know as we now know the prosecutors in Florida deliberately. He kept the victims out of the process. They didn't tell them what they were doing. They hid things from them and from the get go and the prosecutor in New York and the judge weren't going to have that happen in this time round. Berman is a federal judge but he also the happens to be a licensed social worker so I think on an abundance of you know understanding that this that that it's very important fortin victims are part of the criminal justice process they wanted to give them this opportunity have their say and and by the way it's also part of the law. I mean we have a federal law called the Crime Victims Rights Act which is exactly would you know was violated in the Florida case a AH. Ha outlines certain steps they the prosecutors are supposed to take by law to involve victims in the criminal justice process especially when there's any kind of plea agreement. Jeffrey Epstein's criminal case is over. That's it whatever was said in the courtroom last week is the last word on his is criminal culpability but Epstein didn't operate alone. This was a real well oiled operation. It wasn't like some you know Mickey Mouse kind of thing you're talking about schedulers so that he has these women coming and going to three four times a day at each of his homes so if he's flying for example from from his home in New York to Palm Beach. He has people that are calling up his schedule. Learn Palm Beach in the schedulers are calling up women and trying to get them all lined ended up. He's GonNa be here a week or two weeks. I mean they're the they had a system and every single home that he went to and every place he went to he had people luke pulling the strings and doing his his you know schedule we know the names of most of the people in that operation but in some cases it's hard hard to tell who was a victim and who was a perpetrator when girls outgrew. Epstein sexual tastes by which I mean that they turned seventeen or eighteen years old they would sometimes become part of this scheme in a different capacity procuring other younger girls. There was one person though who was clearly no victim Kathleen Maxwell according to a lot of witness testimony in court filings was Epstein partner in every sense of the word and yet she was granted community in the Florida case. I mean you would think that they would for one thing charged Deland Maxwell. who was you know really really She really ran the show I mean from what the court records show. Of course she denies it but there's an awful lot of evidence an awful lot of evidence that she was really and we know in her case that she comes into this relationship with him as a grownup yeah and it was maxwell swell who apparently started the whole thing. I mean she was at the top of meaning. If you think of it sort of as maybe an organized crime the family you know you have Epstein Amax up the top and then you would have Kellen Leslie Groff and you know Nadia Marson Arson Cova Adrian Ross may be there the lieutenants so to speak you know if there was a you know there was an organization running. Louis those other names have been raised in court filings as potential co conspirators of Epstein's Sarah Kellen Leslie Groff and Adriana Ross. They were epsteins assistance and allegedly. They were responsible for arranging his encounters with his victims. They say they didn't know how young girls actually were. Nadia Morrison Cove Israel is murkier multiple women who've spoken about their abuse name her as one of Epstein's collaborators but an an incident report from the Palm Beach Police says that Epstein called her his sex slave and brought her to the United States from Yugoslavia after he purchased her from her own parents. Her legal team says that like other Victims Marcin Cova is severely traumatized and needs time to process and make sense of what she has been through before she is able to speak out a so what now I am trying trying to purposely steer my own path in this story because it is a huge story still going after the crop. Shen because how did he do this. He did not do this alone and he didn't get that jail term and he didn't get you know all all the privileges. He got without somehow getting someone to agree to it. I'm still focused on whether there were any prosecutors who did who committed wrongdoing whether on the state level or the federal level whether anyone in the sheriff's office committed any wrongdoing on whether there were any other other people I mean it could for all we know there could be an FBI agent somewhere who who was not on the up and up in this case I mean one of the premises of of our show is that the obscene case is indicative of a lot of other problems and realities in our society where we have a justice system waited wildly towards the powerful and we have a culture culture that values wealth and men and youth and beauty and women particularly in Palm Beach and Park the places where Epstein operated so it's like in some ways the Epstein story represents the worst of our values sort of distilled into poison and I wondered that ring true to you or does this feel the Epstein case just feel like a horrible aberration marijn from your perspective well. I think it was is probably one of the worst cases you know of of you know someone on who really a was able to use his connections in wealth and power in plain sight you know there was a photograph autograph that was uncovered recently of Virginia one of the Victims Virginia Robert Giuffra when she was quite young seventeen she looks even younger than seventeen eighteen in the photo and she's got a party. I can't remember if it was London and it was a party for Naomi Kindle Campbell the the model and she's in those photographs and she's surrounded by all these people many of them famous and she looks like this little girl role in the middle in the sea of this crowd of like partier and she just stands out you know and you have to wonder wise a little girl I mean she did. She looked like a little girl at this crazy party with all these you know wiser child at this his party right. Why wouldn't who wouldn't ask that. Yeah absolutely we'll be hearing a lot more from our special correspondent. Julie Brown in the coming weeks after the break. We'll kind of justice is still available for epsteins victims that five hundred million dollars should go to these women.